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Come on Bell. Justify the war that was started by a man who has no clue why he went to war (by his own admission).
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Decoy Octopus wrote:
> Besides if America was interested at stopping terrorism throughout
> the world where is the involvement with Israel and Palestine?
Erm, do the words "road" and "map" mean anything?
> Besides if America was interested at stopping terrorism throughout
> the world where is the involvement with Israel and Palestine?
Erm, do the words "road" and "map" mean anything?
America's war was with Japan, they CHOSE to help europe. Our country does not have to join America in every single war. How has the war with Iraq helped our country? sure you can say that terrorism is a global problem but our country is now MORE at risk after attacking Iraq.
Besides if America was interested at stopping terrorism throughout the world where is the involvement with Israel and Palestine?
Besides if America was interested at stopping terrorism throughout the world where is the involvement with Israel and Palestine?
Decoy Octopus wrote:
> The War in Iraq is Americas problem our boys should be brought back
> leave America there to sort the problem out.
Really? Because 60 years ago this year tens of thousands of Americans put their lives on the line, and died by the score, to help liberate Europe. And y'know what? Just 63 years ago America considered the Second World War Europe's problem. In fact on the very day that Pearl Harbour was attacked US politicians were making that case to the media.
Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria, terrorism....these are GLOBAL problems and any idea that we in the UK can stand by and do nothing and be okay is stupidity of the highest level. For years successive Presidents had made only vague attempts to hit Al Qaeda and the Taliban, Clinto's stock response to any of their attacks was to fire a couple of Cruise missiles and that was it. 9/11 happened. That is what you get for sticking your head in the sand and hoping it all goes away...
> The War in Iraq is Americas problem our boys should be brought back
> leave America there to sort the problem out.
Really? Because 60 years ago this year tens of thousands of Americans put their lives on the line, and died by the score, to help liberate Europe. And y'know what? Just 63 years ago America considered the Second World War Europe's problem. In fact on the very day that Pearl Harbour was attacked US politicians were making that case to the media.
Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria, terrorism....these are GLOBAL problems and any idea that we in the UK can stand by and do nothing and be okay is stupidity of the highest level. For years successive Presidents had made only vague attempts to hit Al Qaeda and the Taliban, Clinto's stock response to any of their attacks was to fire a couple of Cruise missiles and that was it. 9/11 happened. That is what you get for sticking your head in the sand and hoping it all goes away...
cookie monster wrote:
> Indeed, despite the fact that WMD will probably never surface, i still
> think the war done a good deed.
That would be the utilitarian justification. I.e. more people are made happy than unhappy.
> Indeed, despite the fact that WMD will probably never surface, i still
> think the war done a good deed.
That would be the utilitarian justification. I.e. more people are made happy than unhappy.
I must admit, the sheer buffoonery of America in regards to friendly fire incidents, from every war from World War II to Gulf War II, never fails to amaze me.
Indeed, despite the fact that WMD will probably never surface, i still think the war done a good deed.
The War in Iraq is Americas problem our boys should be brought back leave America there to sort the problem out.
People are mostly satisfied that we have removed one of the worst regimes in the world, however was it wrong to send our boys out there with the wrong kit? yes was there too many friendly fire incidents? yes were the reasons for the war unfounded (WMD)? Yes (SO-FAR, WMD could still be found) in reality has this war made the world a safer place? No, almost daily we are told about the terrorist threat and of suicide bombings.
People are mostly satisfied that we have removed one of the worst regimes in the world, however was it wrong to send our boys out there with the wrong kit? yes was there too many friendly fire incidents? yes were the reasons for the war unfounded (WMD)? Yes (SO-FAR, WMD could still be found) in reality has this war made the world a safer place? No, almost daily we are told about the terrorist threat and of suicide bombings.
Your right, I can't answer that.
It's no secret that the MOD failed to adequately supply many of our forces in the war and that just is not right. Those people are fighting miles from home, by their own will, and many do not have the right equipment to do so. Some died because of this lack of equipment.
Say what you like about the American military but in terms of equipment and supply they have it pretty much flawless - all their personnel are equipped with body armour and their Humvee vehicles take far more punishment than the jeeps we use. In an urban environment I would of thought the enclosed Humvee was far better than our jeeps are.
In many ways we, the West, created the Iraqi regime, and it seems some small measure of atonement that we finally destroyed it. Even so there are still tens of millions of people whose lives are absolute hell because no one will step in and help them because they happen to live somewhere that those in power have little interest in. Unless, bit by bit, those people are helped, I believe that the future will be very grim indeed.
It's no secret that the MOD failed to adequately supply many of our forces in the war and that just is not right. Those people are fighting miles from home, by their own will, and many do not have the right equipment to do so. Some died because of this lack of equipment.
Say what you like about the American military but in terms of equipment and supply they have it pretty much flawless - all their personnel are equipped with body armour and their Humvee vehicles take far more punishment than the jeeps we use. In an urban environment I would of thought the enclosed Humvee was far better than our jeeps are.
In many ways we, the West, created the Iraqi regime, and it seems some small measure of atonement that we finally destroyed it. Even so there are still tens of millions of people whose lives are absolute hell because no one will step in and help them because they happen to live somewhere that those in power have little interest in. Unless, bit by bit, those people are helped, I believe that the future will be very grim indeed.
English_Bloke wrote:
> It is not America’s job to police the world.
They clearly think it is. The USA learned in 1941 that you can't stick your head in the sand and hope everything works out. Thats the whole point of this war, whether you agree or not, America though it was enabling their security by destroying the Baathist regime in Iraq.
For strategic reasons in my opinion. It was probably neither about weapons, oil or humanitarian reasons. It was political influence and change. George Bush openly admits he wants to see democracy in the Middle East. Iraq was an easy target due to being bombed for 10 years. The US can now move its troops from Saudi Arabia to Iraq (one primary motive for September the 11th) and build a showcase for democracy (think West Berlin) to try and 'culture flip' Iran and others to more democratic politics. Democracies have never been at war with one another. Thus democracy in the Middle East could solve the USA's problems.
This may come crashing down in World War III but in my opinion the above is at least the primary motive for the U.S. to invade Iraq. Britain of course scores brownie points, not the great empire it was it gets at least some influence by joining the U.S. France etc on the other hand have only diminished their influence and status. The UK may be Americas minion but that is probably better than either its enemy or estranged cousin.
And it has also destroyed a contemptable regime for a less evil one, which is generally good in my opinion, even if it was not the actual motive of the powers that be.
> It is not America’s job to police the world.
They clearly think it is. The USA learned in 1941 that you can't stick your head in the sand and hope everything works out. Thats the whole point of this war, whether you agree or not, America though it was enabling their security by destroying the Baathist regime in Iraq.
For strategic reasons in my opinion. It was probably neither about weapons, oil or humanitarian reasons. It was political influence and change. George Bush openly admits he wants to see democracy in the Middle East. Iraq was an easy target due to being bombed for 10 years. The US can now move its troops from Saudi Arabia to Iraq (one primary motive for September the 11th) and build a showcase for democracy (think West Berlin) to try and 'culture flip' Iran and others to more democratic politics. Democracies have never been at war with one another. Thus democracy in the Middle East could solve the USA's problems.
This may come crashing down in World War III but in my opinion the above is at least the primary motive for the U.S. to invade Iraq. Britain of course scores brownie points, not the great empire it was it gets at least some influence by joining the U.S. France etc on the other hand have only diminished their influence and status. The UK may be Americas minion but that is probably better than either its enemy or estranged cousin.
And it has also destroyed a contemptable regime for a less evil one, which is generally good in my opinion, even if it was not the actual motive of the powers that be.
I wonder if your views would be the same if the war had directly affected you or a member of your family.
You can't answer that and it's not even a question, but it's just something I was thinking.
You can't answer that and it's not even a question, but it's just something I was thinking.
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