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I must apologise for not knowing the finer details of this trial, such as the names of the young girl who died, or the defendants alledgedly responsible for her death, but I wanted to voice an opinion, based on what I do know.
The only reason this story got any press at all is because the pills happen to be ecstacy. I'm sure that hundreds of kids die each year because of finding and taking perscription pills and overdosing on them.
The only two factors as far as I'm concerned are :
A) The pills were in a none child-proof container (a plastic bag), meaning the young girl was able to get at them.
B) When they realised that she had taken them, their hesitation to dial 999 possibly resulted in her death. (possibly, as there is no way to prove whether she would have survived should medical attention had been immediate).
So, for a kick off, as far as I'm concerned, (A), although a little irresponsible, was not criminal behaviour. Paracetamol are supplied in packets that children could easily open, and eating a packet of these could be just as life threatening as eating 5 tablets of ecstacy. I believe that should a child eat a packet of paracetamol, the jury would regard this simply as an unfortunate incident. Besides, a 10 year old child ought to know that eating tablets of any kind can be dangerous.
So, on to (B). There is little doubt that failing to summon adequate medical attention when someone is thought to have overdosed on anything is irresponsible. The couple did not take no action at all though, it is reported they contacted several members of the girls family to ensure she got help, they were obviously concerned for her well being and sought advice/help from others who might have better insight. It is tragic that this hesitation possibly led to her death, but I would not consider it to be deserving of such harsh treatment by the law.
I caught the last sentence of todays update on this trial, and it appears the man involved has received a custodial sentence. If this is on the charge of Man Slaughter, then it is my opinion that they have made an example of him simply because the drug involved was ecstacy in his possession.
I'm not someone who blindly defends recreational drug-use, I am very open minded about both sides of any arguement, but half the time I think it is just the media whipping up a frenzy, scaring uneducated people into thinking everything and everyone connected with drugs is purely evil.
What are your opinions on this controversial trial?
The only reason this story got any press at all is because the pills happen to be ecstacy. I'm sure that hundreds of kids die each year because of finding and taking perscription pills and overdosing on them.
The only two factors as far as I'm concerned are :
A) The pills were in a none child-proof container (a plastic bag), meaning the young girl was able to get at them.
B) When they realised that she had taken them, their hesitation to dial 999 possibly resulted in her death. (possibly, as there is no way to prove whether she would have survived should medical attention had been immediate).
So, for a kick off, as far as I'm concerned, (A), although a little irresponsible, was not criminal behaviour. Paracetamol are supplied in packets that children could easily open, and eating a packet of these could be just as life threatening as eating 5 tablets of ecstacy. I believe that should a child eat a packet of paracetamol, the jury would regard this simply as an unfortunate incident. Besides, a 10 year old child ought to know that eating tablets of any kind can be dangerous.
So, on to (B). There is little doubt that failing to summon adequate medical attention when someone is thought to have overdosed on anything is irresponsible. The couple did not take no action at all though, it is reported they contacted several members of the girls family to ensure she got help, they were obviously concerned for her well being and sought advice/help from others who might have better insight. It is tragic that this hesitation possibly led to her death, but I would not consider it to be deserving of such harsh treatment by the law.
I caught the last sentence of todays update on this trial, and it appears the man involved has received a custodial sentence. If this is on the charge of Man Slaughter, then it is my opinion that they have made an example of him simply because the drug involved was ecstacy in his possession.
I'm not someone who blindly defends recreational drug-use, I am very open minded about both sides of any arguement, but half the time I think it is just the media whipping up a frenzy, scaring uneducated people into thinking everything and everyone connected with drugs is purely evil.
What are your opinions on this controversial trial?
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Primal wrote:
> Borat, MSN fella
alas that was not possible as I was out learning how to kill people
> Borat, MSN fella
alas that was not possible as I was out learning how to kill people
Borat, MSN fella
yes, but this is not really to do with the girl having a bad reaction to E, but it is due to how much she took.
the thought of taking 5 tablets in one go makes me feel nauseous just thinking about it, I think it is unlikely a healthy adult would survive this. Sure, people take many in a night, but 5 in one go, and if they were strong ones, is unthinkable, and potentially fatal for an adult.
God knows what sort of unimaginable introspective nightmare that girl went through before she expired.
still, I hold on to the belief that it is because this drug is illegal, and has such an unfounded bad reputation for fatalities, that this story made the headlines.
forcing people not to take this drug will never work, there will always be supplies, we need to educate people to the REAL risks of the drug, stop scaremongering with unreliable horror stories and dramatizations, and let people make an intelligent decision based on the facts.
the thought of taking 5 tablets in one go makes me feel nauseous just thinking about it, I think it is unlikely a healthy adult would survive this. Sure, people take many in a night, but 5 in one go, and if they were strong ones, is unthinkable, and potentially fatal for an adult.
God knows what sort of unimaginable introspective nightmare that girl went through before she expired.
still, I hold on to the belief that it is because this drug is illegal, and has such an unfounded bad reputation for fatalities, that this story made the headlines.
forcing people not to take this drug will never work, there will always be supplies, we need to educate people to the REAL risks of the drug, stop scaremongering with unreliable horror stories and dramatizations, and let people make an intelligent decision based on the facts.
It's believed that more than 100million ecstacy tablets are consumed every year in the UK alone.
Research once suggested that ecstacy was potentially fatal in 40% of cases. If we assume that it's the same people taking one tablet per weekend, that's 2million offenders, which equates to 800,000 people dying the first weekend they take the pills. This doesn't happen.
That research has recently - and embarrassingly - been proved as utter rubbish. Indeed, the number of deaths directly attributable to ecstacy is probably about 1-2 per year, with deaths indirectly attributable (usually water intoxication cases such as the Leah Betts incident) around 8-10 per year.
Putting that in perspective, 52 people die in the UK in 2001 from objects falling on them in the workplace...
Research once suggested that ecstacy was potentially fatal in 40% of cases. If we assume that it's the same people taking one tablet per weekend, that's 2million offenders, which equates to 800,000 people dying the first weekend they take the pills. This doesn't happen.
That research has recently - and embarrassingly - been proved as utter rubbish. Indeed, the number of deaths directly attributable to ecstacy is probably about 1-2 per year, with deaths indirectly attributable (usually water intoxication cases such as the Leah Betts incident) around 8-10 per year.
Putting that in perspective, 52 people die in the UK in 2001 from objects falling on them in the workplace...
Mouldy Cheese wrote:
> If E wasn't illegal, then the girl wouldn't be dead.
But perhaps if E was legal, then perhaps countless more would be dead.
I can never get my head completely around control and such... I desperately want to believe that people are able to make their own intelligent decisions, but unfortunately those decisions can often be quite selfish, no matter where the control begins or ends.
Oh well.
> If E wasn't illegal, then the girl wouldn't be dead.
But perhaps if E was legal, then perhaps countless more would be dead.
I can never get my head completely around control and such... I desperately want to believe that people are able to make their own intelligent decisions, but unfortunately those decisions can often be quite selfish, no matter where the control begins or ends.
Oh well.
Mouldy Cheese wrote:
> If E wasn't illegal, then the girl wouldn't be dead.
heh
> If E wasn't illegal, then the girl wouldn't be dead.
heh
If E wasn't illegal, then the girl wouldn't be dead.
ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> heh, I can only hope you are joking
Of course I am. There is no such thing as 'evil'.
> heh, I can only hope you are joking
Of course I am. There is no such thing as 'evil'.
Im pretty sure he got 3.5 years for drug dealing. Not anything for the childs death.
But ecstacy is still illegal. And if he wasnt a drug dealer, that young girl wouldnt be dead.
But ecstacy is still illegal. And if he wasnt a drug dealer, that young girl wouldnt be dead.
FantasyMeister wrote:
> ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> What are your opinions on this controversial trial?
>
> Everything and everyone connected with drugs is purely evil.
heh, I can only hope you are joking
> ßora† SagdiyeV wrote:
> What are your opinions on this controversial trial?
>
> Everything and everyone connected with drugs is purely evil.
heh, I can only hope you are joking
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