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Yes it was a terrible goalkeeping error, and yes, Seaman was at fault for letting in a goal, bjt there is no way that he should be blamed for this defeat.
We had 40 minutes to get back into the game, 35 of those against 10 men, and we didn't once trouble their goalkeeper.
We wasted possession, and didn't shoot from decent postitions. I counted 2 ocassions in which Dyer got the ball at the edge of the area, and layed to ball of rather than taking a pop at goal. Just hitting the target would have fired us up, but in the end we just passed it about too much, let Brazil get organised, then just threw the ball in.
Still, if at the start of the tournament, we were told that we'd get to the quarter final, I doubt many people would have been disappointed with that. It's just a shame that we went out so tamely.
We had 40 minutes to get back into the game, 35 of those against 10 men, and we didn't once trouble their goalkeeper.
We wasted possession, and didn't shoot from decent postitions. I counted 2 ocassions in which Dyer got the ball at the edge of the area, and layed to ball of rather than taking a pop at goal. Just hitting the target would have fired us up, but in the end we just passed it about too much, let Brazil get organised, then just threw the ball in.
Still, if at the start of the tournament, we were told that we'd get to the quarter final, I doubt many people would have been disappointed with that. It's just a shame that we went out so tamely.
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Seaman has made that same mistake several times now.... Nayim's goal being the most memorable. Isn't experience about learning from your mistakes?
Or maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
The thing about Seaman, is that he is not a shot stopper. He may be strong on crosses, and he rarely fumbles, put the ball a little too far out of reach, give him a real test, and the reactions and agility needed to get to it just aren't there. I don't base that comment on his performance in this world cup, but on the rest of his performances over the last few years.
Don't get me wrong, I think he did very well at this world cup, but I think he was flattered.
Or maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
The thing about Seaman, is that he is not a shot stopper. He may be strong on crosses, and he rarely fumbles, put the ball a little too far out of reach, give him a real test, and the reactions and agility needed to get to it just aren't there. I don't base that comment on his performance in this world cup, but on the rest of his performances over the last few years.
Don't get me wrong, I think he did very well at this world cup, but I think he was flattered.
The way I see it you can blame seaman for the goal, but you cant possibly blame Seaman for the defeat, it was Englands own doing, not enough simple balls about 50% of passes were in the air the only time england kept the ball on the ground they played well, but after a few passes they'd make a stupid mistakes.
On all a good run, but it had to end, I hate the hype that always follow England into a major tournament, I even started to believe it, and im an Ireland fan??....go figure!!
On all a good run, but it had to end, I hate the hype that always follow England into a major tournament, I even started to believe it, and im an Ireland fan??....go figure!!
It wasn't even a mistake really. You can't expect someone to shoot from 40 yards and praise given to Brazil if they did their research and found out that Seaman usually comes out and off his line for crosses.
What was the free-kick for? I was talking to someone and not looking when it happened.
What was the free-kick for? I was talking to someone and not looking when it happened.
Seaman visited my dads school just before the tournament and apparently he was a really nice bloke.
He's had a great career, and it's sad it finished as it did. I personally think his disorientation was messed up after that save he made when he went over his fellow player and went head first into the ball.
That save in my opinion sums him up, he's always taken risks when he's had to and he's a credit to our team.
Don't blame him, everyone makes mistakes. Of course I'm disappointed we didn't go all the way, but I'm also proud of what we have achieved - 3 goals against a side that beat France, and we gave the deadly blow to Argentina's world cup campaign.
We're a brilliant side, with brilliant players, and Seamans still Englands number 1. I was as gobsmacked as everyone else when that goal went in - there was no way I could see that goal going into the back of the net. My mouth stayed open for several minutes afterwards in amazement. My argument is we probably would have judged it the same. Seaman is a million times better than anyone who can criticise them - after all he's in the England team and the people that criticise him have not got the skill. It's easy to say that he should have saved that goal, but the fact is it probably wasn't under the circumstances.
I still respect David Seaman, I just think it's a shame people will remember him for this rather than his greatest moments including saving that ball against Argentina, and saving England's game in loads of other fixtures. I don't want him to be treated like Beckham after '98. It's just plain silly and pointless...
He's had a great career, and it's sad it finished as it did. I personally think his disorientation was messed up after that save he made when he went over his fellow player and went head first into the ball.
That save in my opinion sums him up, he's always taken risks when he's had to and he's a credit to our team.
Don't blame him, everyone makes mistakes. Of course I'm disappointed we didn't go all the way, but I'm also proud of what we have achieved - 3 goals against a side that beat France, and we gave the deadly blow to Argentina's world cup campaign.
We're a brilliant side, with brilliant players, and Seamans still Englands number 1. I was as gobsmacked as everyone else when that goal went in - there was no way I could see that goal going into the back of the net. My mouth stayed open for several minutes afterwards in amazement. My argument is we probably would have judged it the same. Seaman is a million times better than anyone who can criticise them - after all he's in the England team and the people that criticise him have not got the skill. It's easy to say that he should have saved that goal, but the fact is it probably wasn't under the circumstances.
I still respect David Seaman, I just think it's a shame people will remember him for this rather than his greatest moments including saving that ball against Argentina, and saving England's game in loads of other fixtures. I don't want him to be treated like Beckham after '98. It's just plain silly and pointless...
It's disappointing for Seaman, he's had a brilliant World Cup so far. Shame this may be his last.
He is still a brilliant goalie but I have a feeling he will be retiring from international football soon after he returns home.
The goal was reminiscent of the one scored against Peter Shilton at Italia 90 which I feel he was he should have jumped and knocked it over but was too old and slow to do so.
The goal was reminiscent of the one scored against Peter Shilton at Italia 90 which I feel he was he should have jumped and knocked it over but was too old and slow to do so.
course it wasn't seamans fault
I dont blame Seaman at all - I guess it was his mistake but if it wasnt for him we wouldnt have made the second round!
Beefcake wrote:
> I blame Seaman. His disribution was a disgrace too. He has a stupid
> pony tail and a moustache. What more is there to add?
What is your problem?
Does the way he look effect the way he plays?!!
Just lay of him, he is great keeper and what a way to go out of his last World cup. He really did look unhappy he even made me show some emotion. So why dont you!?
> I blame Seaman. His disribution was a disgrace too. He has a stupid
> pony tail and a moustache. What more is there to add?
What is your problem?
Does the way he look effect the way he plays?!!
Just lay of him, he is great keeper and what a way to go out of his last World cup. He really did look unhappy he even made me show some emotion. So why dont you!?
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