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Stryke wrote:
> You were lucky to stay in it after Rooney got injured, do shush.
Stop pretending you're Welsh, it's entirely unconvincing.
> You were lucky to stay in it after Rooney got injured, do shush.
Stop pretending you're Welsh, it's entirely unconvincing.
Rooney schmooney.
Reasons England lost to Portugal:
- The bas' face ref
- Beckham's penalty
- Vassel's penalty
- David James' inability to save a single penalty
Reasons England lost to Portugal:
- The bas' face ref
- Beckham's penalty
- Vassel's penalty
- David James' inability to save a single penalty
You were lucky to stay in it after Rooney got injured, do shush.
Stryke wrote:
> English fans cried for
> ages about that Swiss ref denying Sol Campbell a goal (which he was
> right to do)
Lies. England beat Portugal.
> English fans cried for
> ages about that Swiss ref denying Sol Campbell a goal (which he was
> right to do)
Lies. England beat Portugal.
Blank wrote:
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> And Carvalho obstructs the keeper too much for me to like him.
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Y'know, that gets mentioned far less than I'd like. It -should- be ranked up therew with Hand of God unfairness. English fans cried for ages about that Swiss ref denying Sol Campbell a goal (which he was right to do) and it's been ignored that Chelsea cheated their way to the semis. Ah well, at least it provides ammo when I feel like arguing about the Garcia goal.
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Luque, Reyes, Albelda,
> Salgado, Marchena, Ibanez,
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Portuguese equivalents are all better than these. There are plenty of your Spanish names that have Portuguese equals (Xavi and Deco, for example) but these players are clearly worse than: Ronaldo, Figo, Maniche, Miguel/Ferriera, Andrade & Carvalho. That's my equivalent list, by the way, in order.
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> And Carvalho obstructs the keeper too much for me to like him.
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Y'know, that gets mentioned far less than I'd like. It -should- be ranked up therew with Hand of God unfairness. English fans cried for ages about that Swiss ref denying Sol Campbell a goal (which he was right to do) and it's been ignored that Chelsea cheated their way to the semis. Ah well, at least it provides ammo when I feel like arguing about the Garcia goal.
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Luque, Reyes, Albelda,
> Salgado, Marchena, Ibanez,
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Portuguese equivalents are all better than these. There are plenty of your Spanish names that have Portuguese equals (Xavi and Deco, for example) but these players are clearly worse than: Ronaldo, Figo, Maniche, Miguel/Ferriera, Andrade & Carvalho. That's my equivalent list, by the way, in order.
Looking at them both the teams they have they are both certainally in the top 6-7 in the world for the talent but they don't seem to perform when it matters.
OK Portugal got to the final of Euro 2004 but in the final they were poor, taking nothing away from Greece.
OK Portugal got to the final of Euro 2004 but in the final they were poor, taking nothing away from Greece.
Stryke wrote:
> Nope, Portugal have a vast array of talented players too. Ronaldo,
> Deco, Figo, Simao, Maniche, Miguel, Paulo Ferreira, Andrade,
> Carvalho.
Ronaldo, Deco, and Maniche I like. Simao and Andrade are both pretty good. Figo is still decent, his pace isn't up to much anymore, but he's good. Will he actually be in the World Cup squad though? Miguel's pretty good too from what I've seen of him. Ferreira though, I wouldn't bother with. He's alright, never really excites me though. And Carvalho obstructs the keeper too much for me to like him.
> Some of them don't play in La Liga though, so I'll let you off.
Ha. Portugal are a great team, but I think on paper the Spaniards are better pretty much all round. Raul, Torres, Morientes, Joaquin, Vicente, Luque, Reyes, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Albelda, Del Horno, Salgado, Puyol, Marchena, Ibanez, Casillas. All top class players. Maybe the Portuguese have a better defence. That's about it though. Although like I say, in practice they're better. Somehow.
> Nope, Portugal have a vast array of talented players too. Ronaldo,
> Deco, Figo, Simao, Maniche, Miguel, Paulo Ferreira, Andrade,
> Carvalho.
Ronaldo, Deco, and Maniche I like. Simao and Andrade are both pretty good. Figo is still decent, his pace isn't up to much anymore, but he's good. Will he actually be in the World Cup squad though? Miguel's pretty good too from what I've seen of him. Ferreira though, I wouldn't bother with. He's alright, never really excites me though. And Carvalho obstructs the keeper too much for me to like him.
> Some of them don't play in La Liga though, so I'll let you off.
Ha. Portugal are a great team, but I think on paper the Spaniards are better pretty much all round. Raul, Torres, Morientes, Joaquin, Vicente, Luque, Reyes, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Albelda, Del Horno, Salgado, Puyol, Marchena, Ibanez, Casillas. All top class players. Maybe the Portuguese have a better defence. That's about it though. Although like I say, in practice they're better. Somehow.
They're certainally close but I'd say Spain are slightly better.
Nope, Portugal have a vast array of talented players too. Ronaldo, Deco, Figo, Simao, Maniche, Miguel, Paulo Ferreira, Andrade, Carvalho.
Some of them don't play in La Liga though, so I'll let you off.
Some of them don't play in La Liga though, so I'll let you off.
They're better in practice. On paper, the Spaniards coast it.
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