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In light of the recent devastation down in New Orleans, and Bush's slowness in responding with anything other than flying over in a helicopter and hugging a couple of folks in Mississippi, NBC broadcast a benefit/donation show with loads of stars asking for help to be donated.
All goes well, donations come in.
Until Mike Myers & Kanye West do their bit in the studio.
Myers explaining what has happened, the destruction and lives lost.
Kanye West's turn comes up and he deviates from the autocue and delivers an unscripted outburst criticising Bush and the government for not doing anything in a system that "is set up to help the poor and the blacks as slowly as posisble" and pointing out that a third of the National Gaurd are in Iraq anyway, and that "they've given them permission to go down and shoot us"
Myers looking off-camera with a "Help" expression before attempting to steer it back on course, before West delivers his final statement. Cameras cut away to Chris Rock looking unprepared.
This segment was cut from the repeated broadcast by NBC who felt that "one persons comments shouldn't overshadow this tragedy"
Bear in mind that Kanye West was the biggest selling rap/RnB artist of last year and has a new album out to promote.
And he's risked that to deliver a genuinely angry, outraged statement that an awful lot of people are thinking but nobody is saying on the television.
Watch, enjoy and pass along as the largest selling recording Artist of 2004 alienates the Christian right-wing element of America by simply refusing to play along and speaking from his heart.
Outstanding and I'm buying his album purely to support somebody willing to risk **EDITED FOR THE BONUS OF BLANK** minor financial loss in the short term but possible gain when balanced against the projected earnings from previously unaware members of the public who wish to support somebody speaking out on National Television*** because they cant sit back and say nothing
[URL]http://gorillamask.net/kanyebush.shtml[/URL]
All goes well, donations come in.
Until Mike Myers & Kanye West do their bit in the studio.
Myers explaining what has happened, the destruction and lives lost.
Kanye West's turn comes up and he deviates from the autocue and delivers an unscripted outburst criticising Bush and the government for not doing anything in a system that "is set up to help the poor and the blacks as slowly as posisble" and pointing out that a third of the National Gaurd are in Iraq anyway, and that "they've given them permission to go down and shoot us"
Myers looking off-camera with a "Help" expression before attempting to steer it back on course, before West delivers his final statement. Cameras cut away to Chris Rock looking unprepared.
This segment was cut from the repeated broadcast by NBC who felt that "one persons comments shouldn't overshadow this tragedy"
Bear in mind that Kanye West was the biggest selling rap/RnB artist of last year and has a new album out to promote.
And he's risked that to deliver a genuinely angry, outraged statement that an awful lot of people are thinking but nobody is saying on the television.
Watch, enjoy and pass along as the largest selling recording Artist of 2004 alienates the Christian right-wing element of America by simply refusing to play along and speaking from his heart.
Outstanding and I'm buying his album purely to support somebody willing to risk **EDITED FOR THE BONUS OF BLANK** minor financial loss in the short term but possible gain when balanced against the projected earnings from previously unaware members of the public who wish to support somebody speaking out on National Television*** because they cant sit back and say nothing
[URL]http://gorillamask.net/kanyebush.shtml[/URL]
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Kawada wrote:
> Trouble with the racism view is that it supposes Bush is actually
> smart enough to be able to organise a relief operation but chose not
> to, and Bush having any sort of intelligence to do anything other
> than try and impress Daddy by blowing up chunks of the middle east is
> a little too hard for me to believe :-D
Well, put it this way;
Was there a profit in invading Iraq? Yes.
Was there a profit in a fast and efficient rescue effort in New Orleans? No
In most situations, follow the money and you'll find your answer. For the record, I don't believe it was specifically to do with racism; I don't believe the top 5% of the US government give a damn what colour the poor are. Fact is, they're poor and there's no money in 'em. So screw 'em.
> Trouble with the racism view is that it supposes Bush is actually
> smart enough to be able to organise a relief operation but chose not
> to, and Bush having any sort of intelligence to do anything other
> than try and impress Daddy by blowing up chunks of the middle east is
> a little too hard for me to believe :-D
Well, put it this way;
Was there a profit in invading Iraq? Yes.
Was there a profit in a fast and efficient rescue effort in New Orleans? No
In most situations, follow the money and you'll find your answer. For the record, I don't believe it was specifically to do with racism; I don't believe the top 5% of the US government give a damn what colour the poor are. Fact is, they're poor and there's no money in 'em. So screw 'em.
Blank wrote:
> I thought he mentioned Iraq. Doesn't make a great deal of difference
> to the point here anyway.
I would disagree; no-one else in the public had criticised the government as being racist. He was the first to do so.
>
> Erm.....no! It's nothing to do with the colour of his skin, I've said
> nothing of the sort anywhere in this thread. It's a given because of
> the scale of what he's done; the people he's accusing of racism, the
> most powerful people in the world, and, as you say, that no one else
> has said what he did.
Ahh, I see. My apologies. However, doesn't that make what he did even more praiseworthy?
. Needless to say, I don't agree with you.
>
> Like I said, I took it as a given. It was the point of the entire
> original post after all, neither you or I could possibly have missed
> it. All I meant by my post was "Yes, I agree, but let's not get
> carried away here."
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your point, though I have to say that I still don't agree with you; I think it is worth getting carried away over. All the more so since the network tried to neuter it by cutting it out of later broadcasts.
> I thought he mentioned Iraq. Doesn't make a great deal of difference
> to the point here anyway.
I would disagree; no-one else in the public had criticised the government as being racist. He was the first to do so.
>
> Erm.....no! It's nothing to do with the colour of his skin, I've said
> nothing of the sort anywhere in this thread. It's a given because of
> the scale of what he's done; the people he's accusing of racism, the
> most powerful people in the world, and, as you say, that no one else
> has said what he did.
Ahh, I see. My apologies. However, doesn't that make what he did even more praiseworthy?
. Needless to say, I don't agree with you.
>
> Like I said, I took it as a given. It was the point of the entire
> original post after all, neither you or I could possibly have missed
> it. All I meant by my post was "Yes, I agree, but let's not get
> carried away here."
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your point, though I have to say that I still don't agree with you; I think it is worth getting carried away over. All the more so since the network tried to neuter it by cutting it out of later broadcasts.
Trouble with the racism view is that it supposes Bush is actually smart enough to be able to organise a relief operation but chose not to, and Bush having any sort of intelligence to do anything other than try and impress Daddy by blowing up chunks of the middle east is a little too hard for me to believe :-D
An interesting viewpoint from someone who clearly thinks it's best to just keep quiet about something, even if it is obviously an issue that a lot of people have been thinking about.
It would bear some validity, were it not for the fact that "Everyone pulling together" seems to involve spending more time and effort extracting a black substance from the middle east, as opposed to extracting impoverished people of every hue from a city in his own country.
If you're trying to say that there is absolutely no anger about the possibility that racism affected the slow response to the Hurricane, then you're being incredibly blinkered to the possibility of a viewpoint outside of your own.
It would bear some validity, were it not for the fact that "Everyone pulling together" seems to involve spending more time and effort extracting a black substance from the middle east, as opposed to extracting impoverished people of every hue from a city in his own country.
If you're trying to say that there is absolutely no anger about the possibility that racism affected the slow response to the Hurricane, then you're being incredibly blinkered to the possibility of a viewpoint outside of your own.
Light wrote:
> He said that the response was inadequate. What he didn't say was
> "This is down to racism in the government, and the war in
> Iraq."
>
> Bit of a difference, no?
I thought he mentioned Iraq. Doesn't make a great deal of difference to the point here anyway.
> A given? What, because he's an outspoken Black man?
Erm.....no! It's nothing to do with the colour of his skin, I've said nothing of the sort anywhere in this thread. It's a given because of the scale of what he's done; the people he's accusing of racism, the most powerful people in the world, and, as you say, that no one else has said what he did.
> Jesus Christ, no I don't expect everyone to go "Yeah, good job
> man". What I'm absolutely gobsmacked over is the desire to
> nitpick over a turn of phrase that wasn't even anything to do with
> West in the first place; came from Goatboy. On the other hand, you
> don't even seem to accept that what he did was courageous, or even
> noteworthy. Needless to say, I don't agree with you.
Like I said, I took it as a given. It was the point of the entire original post after all, neither you or I could possibly have missed it. All I meant by my post was "Yes, I agree, but let's not get carried away here."
> He said that the response was inadequate. What he didn't say was
> "This is down to racism in the government, and the war in
> Iraq."
>
> Bit of a difference, no?
I thought he mentioned Iraq. Doesn't make a great deal of difference to the point here anyway.
> A given? What, because he's an outspoken Black man?
Erm.....no! It's nothing to do with the colour of his skin, I've said nothing of the sort anywhere in this thread. It's a given because of the scale of what he's done; the people he's accusing of racism, the most powerful people in the world, and, as you say, that no one else has said what he did.
> Jesus Christ, no I don't expect everyone to go "Yeah, good job
> man". What I'm absolutely gobsmacked over is the desire to
> nitpick over a turn of phrase that wasn't even anything to do with
> West in the first place; came from Goatboy. On the other hand, you
> don't even seem to accept that what he did was courageous, or even
> noteworthy. Needless to say, I don't agree with you.
Like I said, I took it as a given. It was the point of the entire original post after all, neither you or I could possibly have missed it. All I meant by my post was "Yes, I agree, but let's not get carried away here."
That's because most of them are brain washed.
It's always good to see someone speak with some emotion rather than follow a stupid autocue. Good on him, not enough people speak out in America.
Kanye West's outburst has definitely opened old wounds in a society where the majority wants peace. His little speech is unfortunate for the US in a time where we need to all work together in an effort for recovery, because it incited more issues in an already devastated circumstance.
He was not helping anyone.
He was not helping anyone.
Blank wrote:
> Didn't the New Orleans mayor speak out about the way the government
> has treated the whole situation?
He said that the response was inadequate. What he didn't say was "This is down to racism in the government, and the war in Iraq."
Bit of a difference, no?
> Well, what do you expect me to say? "Yeah, good job Kanye."
> Who wants to read that thirty times over? As I've said, it's pretty
> much a given that he's had the balls to say what millions are
> thinking over this.
A given? What, because he's an outspoken Black man?
Guess what; there are a hell of a lot of outspoken men and women of every hue in America. I didn't hear a single other person say a (^()ing word. He did. AFTERWARDS, one could also hear Jesse Jackson speaking out. Not to mention the governor.
Jesus Christ, no I don't expect everyone to go "Yeah, good job man". What I'm absolutely gobsmacked over is the desire to nitpick over a turn of phrase that wasn't even anything to do with West in the first place; came from Goatboy. On the other hand, you don't even seem to accept that what he did was courageous, or even noteworthy. Needless to say, I don't agree with you.
What I'm trying to say is, upon reading of an act of singular courage, your only response was "Well...I don't think he'll be ruined. What do you mean by ruined exactly?". I'm sure it didn't mean to come across this way, but it just sounded petty on your part. Just my opinion.
> Didn't the New Orleans mayor speak out about the way the government
> has treated the whole situation?
He said that the response was inadequate. What he didn't say was "This is down to racism in the government, and the war in Iraq."
Bit of a difference, no?
> Well, what do you expect me to say? "Yeah, good job Kanye."
> Who wants to read that thirty times over? As I've said, it's pretty
> much a given that he's had the balls to say what millions are
> thinking over this.
A given? What, because he's an outspoken Black man?
Guess what; there are a hell of a lot of outspoken men and women of every hue in America. I didn't hear a single other person say a (^()ing word. He did. AFTERWARDS, one could also hear Jesse Jackson speaking out. Not to mention the governor.
Jesus Christ, no I don't expect everyone to go "Yeah, good job man". What I'm absolutely gobsmacked over is the desire to nitpick over a turn of phrase that wasn't even anything to do with West in the first place; came from Goatboy. On the other hand, you don't even seem to accept that what he did was courageous, or even noteworthy. Needless to say, I don't agree with you.
What I'm trying to say is, upon reading of an act of singular courage, your only response was "Well...I don't think he'll be ruined. What do you mean by ruined exactly?". I'm sure it didn't mean to come across this way, but it just sounded petty on your part. Just my opinion.
Light wrote:
> You done? Okay; he's the first public figure to have stated that
> there is racism (at worst) or sheer, uncaring greed (at best) behind
> the p!ss poor response to the Hurricane, no? Despite the fact that
> you, me...hell, everyone was thinking it, he's the only one who had
> the balls to address the pink elephant in the room.
Didn't the New Orleans mayor speak out about the way the government has treated the whole situation?
> A turn of phrase was used; and rather than zero in on the simple fact
> that West's scrotum is quite obviously bigger than that of most, you
> zero in on the "Financial ruin? Surely shome mishtake..."
Well, what do you expect me to say? "Yeah, good job Kanye." Who wants to read that thirty times over? As I've said, it's pretty much a given that he's had the balls to say what millions are thinking over this.
> You done? Okay; he's the first public figure to have stated that
> there is racism (at worst) or sheer, uncaring greed (at best) behind
> the p!ss poor response to the Hurricane, no? Despite the fact that
> you, me...hell, everyone was thinking it, he's the only one who had
> the balls to address the pink elephant in the room.
Didn't the New Orleans mayor speak out about the way the government has treated the whole situation?
> A turn of phrase was used; and rather than zero in on the simple fact
> that West's scrotum is quite obviously bigger than that of most, you
> zero in on the "Financial ruin? Surely shome mishtake..."
Well, what do you expect me to say? "Yeah, good job Kanye." Who wants to read that thirty times over? As I've said, it's pretty much a given that he's had the balls to say what millions are thinking over this.
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