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"Solid Snake was a Rip Off??"

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Sat 02/07/05 at 23:26
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its true. well, not a rip off, just not one of hideo's incredible creations like so many people think. at the beginning of MGS2 it says something along the lines of, "any characters in this game are not real and any similarities are coincidental" or something. this just struck me because i know that solid snake is heavily based on Kurt Russel's character in John Carpenter's "Escape from New York/LA". anyone who has seen either of these film's will know exactly what i mean. the character is called Snake Pliskin, he smokes, he has that growly voice, he even has an eye patch (MGS3). MGS2 nuts will also remember that Snake poses as a Navy Seal called "lieutenent pliskin..." so that raiden doesnt recognise him.

i know this seems like an odd topic, but i just wanted people that didnt know of Snake's origin to become aware of it. Hideo says its a "homage" to John Carpenter's character (he also made Halloween among other things) and i just think more should have been said because Snake's character is, in my opinion, heavily influential to the success of the series. I think the bitter resentment towards raiden by a lot of people is partially due to the fact that he has taken over from snake in MGS2. anyway, any MGS fans should check out the films, because they r still entertaining today, eventhough somewhat dated. oh, and here's proof of this bizarre claim:

[URL] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082340/ [/URL]
Sat 02/07/05 at 23:26
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"Shizzel happens"
Posts: 199
its true. well, not a rip off, just not one of hideo's incredible creations like so many people think. at the beginning of MGS2 it says something along the lines of, "any characters in this game are not real and any similarities are coincidental" or something. this just struck me because i know that solid snake is heavily based on Kurt Russel's character in John Carpenter's "Escape from New York/LA". anyone who has seen either of these film's will know exactly what i mean. the character is called Snake Pliskin, he smokes, he has that growly voice, he even has an eye patch (MGS3). MGS2 nuts will also remember that Snake poses as a Navy Seal called "lieutenent pliskin..." so that raiden doesnt recognise him.

i know this seems like an odd topic, but i just wanted people that didnt know of Snake's origin to become aware of it. Hideo says its a "homage" to John Carpenter's character (he also made Halloween among other things) and i just think more should have been said because Snake's character is, in my opinion, heavily influential to the success of the series. I think the bitter resentment towards raiden by a lot of people is partially due to the fact that he has taken over from snake in MGS2. anyway, any MGS fans should check out the films, because they r still entertaining today, eventhough somewhat dated. oh, and here's proof of this bizarre claim:

[URL] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082340/ [/URL]
Sat 02/07/05 at 23:30
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TaMi-Jr wrote:
> its true. well, not a rip off, just not one of hideo's incredible
> creations like so many people think. at the beginning of MGS2 it says
> something along the lines of, "any characters in this game are
> not real and any similarities are coincidental" or something.

Probably mentions it not being based on FACTUAL people.

And 'Snake Plissken' is not a factual person.
Sun 03/07/05 at 02:51
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Wow how strange.
Sun 03/07/05 at 12:37
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i remember watching that movie earlier this year and thought his voice apperance was very similar to snakes! i did think it was a metal gear film but it was just so old that people didnt talk about it anymore
Sun 03/07/05 at 15:42
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"Shizzel happens"
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a metal gear film would be sooo awesome though. we can only dream =(
Sun 03/07/05 at 15:47
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"Bicycle"
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Meh.

Why does it matter... Kojima admitted it was "ripped", but the character in the game is not a carbon copy of the film character. Ah well.
Sun 03/07/05 at 18:22
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Anyone else notice the similarity of MGS2's hidding-in-the-locker moments to the end of halloween where the main character is inside a wardrobe?
Sun 03/07/05 at 21:07
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lol. i've never really thought about that before. but i guess it could have contributed to hideo's thoughts. atleast the man has good taste in movies, carpenter is a living legend among horror directors. any "good" horror film by today's standards is nothing compared to older horror flicks. assault on precinct 13 was a masterpiece, till they remade it with ice T (LMAO). i recommend carpenter's original because its wicked and was made on literally sixth pence. i can't help but draw similarities between that film and MGS too. anti-heros, the concepts of luck and fortune, maybe the reason why this japanese game is based in america is due to kojima's influences.
we'll never know i guess. i just think kojima is a genius and want to understand what goes on inside that little yellow head of his =D. i hated it when people where getting hyped up over MGS2 because of the action or whatever. its a completely story driven game, and u have to realise that in order to get the most out of it. listen to the cutscenes as opposed to moaning about their length etc.
Sun 03/07/05 at 21:29
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I thought the new Assault on Precinct 13 was shockingly good.
Sun 03/07/05 at 21:54
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So did I, the action scenes were very MGS-like I think.

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