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Note this may become really long but ill try and keep it as interesting as possible, sorry :)
If you read this you will see how much the last gen consoles make to the gen console after them, does this mean GC will get better next gen and that Xbox will get worse, time will tell.
Snes and mega drive era.
If we all remember back to the days of when it was just Nintendo and Sega I think we would all agree that it was on a massive high for computer gamers, with the SNES doing so well and bringing console gaming to homes around the world.
N64, Saturn and PS1 era
Then the Saturn and N64 had a new rival, the PS1.
During this time Saturn went downhill and stop being made about half way through the console wars.
N64 was on a downfall to with games like goldeneye and Mario selling the console, later with Zelda, perfect dark and banjo to sell even more. Then for an “extra” income the pokemon on the GB made Nintendo able to come out with their wallets unhurt, and just their pride.
PS1 was selling like hot cakes, and still are.
The most important thing in this era was that games were now recognised in a big scale with Sony, a well know company, joining in. This maybe why it sold as well as people knew them when Nintendo and Sega were basically unheard of in the “real” world.
Also it showed Nintendo what they were doing wrong, such as not thinking of 3rd party developers.
Also it showed Sega that they needed to do something, soon.
Also the start of exclusive games began, sure Nintendo and rare were exclusive but they were the only ones, the only ones big enough anyway.
But soon games such as Final fantasy, GT, GTA, MGS and resi evil (all on PS1) showed how they were needed.
GC, Dreamcast, PS2 and Xbox era
Dreamcast was first out, but due to the lack of sales of the Saturn many people avoided it at all costs incase the same happened, and it did.
PS2 was then released and due to them being out before GC and Xbox, and the success of the PS1 nearly everyone brought one.
The GC was then released, this showed the new Nintendo with them getting rid of the cartridge based games and opting for CD type. Also with a good launch line up, missing Mario which must of made the sales lower than they would have been.
Xbox was the new comer, and to be blunt didn’t do that well at all, maybe due to people knowing more about Nintendo and PS1.
Most important thing in this era so far are that exclusive games are becoming more regular.
Microsoft now has rare, which is sure to give them a boost if the games are as good as the games on the N64. But who else have they got? Capcom were on the cards at one stage.
Microsoft has a plan to get as many rare games out as quick as possible, but will that wreak the games?
PS2 at the start had many, MGS2, Final fantasy, Resi evil, GTA and GT. But resi evil then went to GC and so did final fantasy. GT and GTA, both the 3rd in the sequels, were big games. With MGS2 being good, but not as good as expected.
Nintendo has them, and with games such as Mario and Zelda soon to be released will boost the sales again. Also with the “renting” out of mascots like Starfox to Namco might make more people go for the GC with Nintendo helping them, as they do. And metriod prime to their already exclusive developer might put them on the map and make another great develop only on GC
GC2, Xbox2 and PS3 era (subject to change)
Xbox 2 this will happen no matter what as bill gates wont care about the money as long as they look like they came out unhurt form the last console wars (this one in other words)
GC2 after a bit of rubbish translating it looks like the GC2 is still on the cards, and maybe with some more exclusive developers.
PS3 once again looking to be out first. This might sell better or worse then the PS2 depending if they can get any more good games out before the end of its life.
All in all I think that the GC2, Xbox and PS3 era will be the biggest, not because of the power of the console, but because Nintendo is all about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet connection etc.
If you read this you will see how much the last gen consoles make to the gen console after them, does this mean GC will get better next gen and that Xbox will get worse, time will tell.
Snes and mega drive era.
If we all remember back to the days of when it was just Nintendo and Sega I think we would all agree that it was on a massive high for computer gamers, with the SNES doing so well and bringing console gaming to homes around the world.
N64, Saturn and PS1 era
Then the Saturn and N64 had a new rival, the PS1.
During this time Saturn went downhill and stop being made about half way through the console wars.
N64 was on a downfall to with games like goldeneye and Mario selling the console, later with Zelda, perfect dark and banjo to sell even more. Then for an “extra” income the pokemon on the GB made Nintendo able to come out with their wallets unhurt, and just their pride.
PS1 was selling like hot cakes, and still are.
The most important thing in this era was that games were now recognised in a big scale with Sony, a well know company, joining in. This maybe why it sold as well as people knew them when Nintendo and Sega were basically unheard of in the “real” world.
Also it showed Nintendo what they were doing wrong, such as not thinking of 3rd party developers.
Also it showed Sega that they needed to do something, soon.
Also the start of exclusive games began, sure Nintendo and rare were exclusive but they were the only ones, the only ones big enough anyway.
But soon games such as Final fantasy, GT, GTA, MGS and resi evil (all on PS1) showed how they were needed.
GC, Dreamcast, PS2 and Xbox era
Dreamcast was first out, but due to the lack of sales of the Saturn many people avoided it at all costs incase the same happened, and it did.
PS2 was then released and due to them being out before GC and Xbox, and the success of the PS1 nearly everyone brought one.
The GC was then released, this showed the new Nintendo with them getting rid of the cartridge based games and opting for CD type. Also with a good launch line up, missing Mario which must of made the sales lower than they would have been.
Xbox was the new comer, and to be blunt didn’t do that well at all, maybe due to people knowing more about Nintendo and PS1.
Most important thing in this era so far are that exclusive games are becoming more regular.
Microsoft now has rare, which is sure to give them a boost if the games are as good as the games on the N64. But who else have they got? Capcom were on the cards at one stage.
Microsoft has a plan to get as many rare games out as quick as possible, but will that wreak the games?
PS2 at the start had many, MGS2, Final fantasy, Resi evil, GTA and GT. But resi evil then went to GC and so did final fantasy. GT and GTA, both the 3rd in the sequels, were big games. With MGS2 being good, but not as good as expected.
Nintendo has them, and with games such as Mario and Zelda soon to be released will boost the sales again. Also with the “renting” out of mascots like Starfox to Namco might make more people go for the GC with Nintendo helping them, as they do. And metriod prime to their already exclusive developer might put them on the map and make another great develop only on GC
GC2, Xbox2 and PS3 era (subject to change)
Xbox 2 this will happen no matter what as bill gates wont care about the money as long as they look like they came out unhurt form the last console wars (this one in other words)
GC2 after a bit of rubbish translating it looks like the GC2 is still on the cards, and maybe with some more exclusive developers.
PS3 once again looking to be out first. This might sell better or worse then the PS2 depending if they can get any more good games out before the end of its life.
All in all I think that the GC2, Xbox and PS3 era will be the biggest, not because of the power of the console, but because Nintendo is all about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet connection etc.
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Note this may become really long but ill try and keep it as interesting as possible, sorry :)
If you read this you will see how much the last gen consoles make to the gen console after them, does this mean GC will get better next gen and that Xbox will get worse, time will tell.
Snes and mega drive era.
If we all remember back to the days of when it was just Nintendo and Sega I think we would all agree that it was on a massive high for computer gamers, with the SNES doing so well and bringing console gaming to homes around the world.
N64, Saturn and PS1 era
Then the Saturn and N64 had a new rival, the PS1.
During this time Saturn went downhill and stop being made about half way through the console wars.
N64 was on a downfall to with games like goldeneye and Mario selling the console, later with Zelda, perfect dark and banjo to sell even more. Then for an “extra” income the pokemon on the GB made Nintendo able to come out with their wallets unhurt, and just their pride.
PS1 was selling like hot cakes, and still are.
The most important thing in this era was that games were now recognised in a big scale with Sony, a well know company, joining in. This maybe why it sold as well as people knew them when Nintendo and Sega were basically unheard of in the “real” world.
Also it showed Nintendo what they were doing wrong, such as not thinking of 3rd party developers.
Also it showed Sega that they needed to do something, soon.
Also the start of exclusive games began, sure Nintendo and rare were exclusive but they were the only ones, the only ones big enough anyway.
But soon games such as Final fantasy, GT, GTA, MGS and resi evil (all on PS1) showed how they were needed.
GC, Dreamcast, PS2 and Xbox era
Dreamcast was first out, but due to the lack of sales of the Saturn many people avoided it at all costs incase the same happened, and it did.
PS2 was then released and due to them being out before GC and Xbox, and the success of the PS1 nearly everyone brought one.
The GC was then released, this showed the new Nintendo with them getting rid of the cartridge based games and opting for CD type. Also with a good launch line up, missing Mario which must of made the sales lower than they would have been.
Xbox was the new comer, and to be blunt didn’t do that well at all, maybe due to people knowing more about Nintendo and PS1.
Most important thing in this era so far are that exclusive games are becoming more regular.
Microsoft now has rare, which is sure to give them a boost if the games are as good as the games on the N64. But who else have they got? Capcom were on the cards at one stage.
Microsoft has a plan to get as many rare games out as quick as possible, but will that wreak the games?
PS2 at the start had many, MGS2, Final fantasy, Resi evil, GTA and GT. But resi evil then went to GC and so did final fantasy. GT and GTA, both the 3rd in the sequels, were big games. With MGS2 being good, but not as good as expected.
Nintendo has them, and with games such as Mario and Zelda soon to be released will boost the sales again. Also with the “renting” out of mascots like Starfox to Namco might make more people go for the GC with Nintendo helping them, as they do. And metriod prime to their already exclusive developer might put them on the map and make another great develop only on GC
GC2, Xbox2 and PS3 era (subject to change)
Xbox 2 this will happen no matter what as bill gates wont care about the money as long as they look like they came out unhurt form the last console wars (this one in other words)
GC2 after a bit of rubbish translating it looks like the GC2 is still on the cards, and maybe with some more exclusive developers.
PS3 once again looking to be out first. This might sell better or worse then the PS2 depending if they can get any more good games out before the end of its life.
All in all I think that the GC2, Xbox and PS3 era will be the biggest, not because of the power of the console, but because Nintendo is all about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet connection etc.
If you read this you will see how much the last gen consoles make to the gen console after them, does this mean GC will get better next gen and that Xbox will get worse, time will tell.
Snes and mega drive era.
If we all remember back to the days of when it was just Nintendo and Sega I think we would all agree that it was on a massive high for computer gamers, with the SNES doing so well and bringing console gaming to homes around the world.
N64, Saturn and PS1 era
Then the Saturn and N64 had a new rival, the PS1.
During this time Saturn went downhill and stop being made about half way through the console wars.
N64 was on a downfall to with games like goldeneye and Mario selling the console, later with Zelda, perfect dark and banjo to sell even more. Then for an “extra” income the pokemon on the GB made Nintendo able to come out with their wallets unhurt, and just their pride.
PS1 was selling like hot cakes, and still are.
The most important thing in this era was that games were now recognised in a big scale with Sony, a well know company, joining in. This maybe why it sold as well as people knew them when Nintendo and Sega were basically unheard of in the “real” world.
Also it showed Nintendo what they were doing wrong, such as not thinking of 3rd party developers.
Also it showed Sega that they needed to do something, soon.
Also the start of exclusive games began, sure Nintendo and rare were exclusive but they were the only ones, the only ones big enough anyway.
But soon games such as Final fantasy, GT, GTA, MGS and resi evil (all on PS1) showed how they were needed.
GC, Dreamcast, PS2 and Xbox era
Dreamcast was first out, but due to the lack of sales of the Saturn many people avoided it at all costs incase the same happened, and it did.
PS2 was then released and due to them being out before GC and Xbox, and the success of the PS1 nearly everyone brought one.
The GC was then released, this showed the new Nintendo with them getting rid of the cartridge based games and opting for CD type. Also with a good launch line up, missing Mario which must of made the sales lower than they would have been.
Xbox was the new comer, and to be blunt didn’t do that well at all, maybe due to people knowing more about Nintendo and PS1.
Most important thing in this era so far are that exclusive games are becoming more regular.
Microsoft now has rare, which is sure to give them a boost if the games are as good as the games on the N64. But who else have they got? Capcom were on the cards at one stage.
Microsoft has a plan to get as many rare games out as quick as possible, but will that wreak the games?
PS2 at the start had many, MGS2, Final fantasy, Resi evil, GTA and GT. But resi evil then went to GC and so did final fantasy. GT and GTA, both the 3rd in the sequels, were big games. With MGS2 being good, but not as good as expected.
Nintendo has them, and with games such as Mario and Zelda soon to be released will boost the sales again. Also with the “renting” out of mascots like Starfox to Namco might make more people go for the GC with Nintendo helping them, as they do. And metriod prime to their already exclusive developer might put them on the map and make another great develop only on GC
GC2, Xbox2 and PS3 era (subject to change)
Xbox 2 this will happen no matter what as bill gates wont care about the money as long as they look like they came out unhurt form the last console wars (this one in other words)
GC2 after a bit of rubbish translating it looks like the GC2 is still on the cards, and maybe with some more exclusive developers.
PS3 once again looking to be out first. This might sell better or worse then the PS2 depending if they can get any more good games out before the end of its life.
All in all I think that the GC2, Xbox and PS3 era will be the biggest, not because of the power of the console, but because Nintendo is all about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet connection etc.
because Nintendo is all
about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money
side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet
connections etc.
sorry i was going to put this at the end of it too.
Meaning that Sony will have a tougher time as Microsoft has so much money that if sony puts in a bid for a company then microsoft will do the same and will always come out winning.
Ok, so yes im a Nintendo fan, a fan not a fanboy, but i do think that the contest will be between them and microsoft.
about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money
side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet
connections etc.
sorry i was going to put this at the end of it too.
Meaning that Sony will have a tougher time as Microsoft has so much money that if sony puts in a bid for a company then microsoft will do the same and will always come out winning.
Ok, so yes im a Nintendo fan, a fan not a fanboy, but i do think that the contest will be between them and microsoft.
Boz wrote:
> because Nintendo is all
> about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money
> side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet
> connections etc.
>
>
> sorry i was going to put this at the end of it too.
>
>
> Meaning that Sony will have a tougher time as Microsoft has so much
> money that if sony puts in a bid for a company then microsoft will do
> the same and will always come out winning.
> Ok, so yes im a Nintendo fan, a fan not a fanboy, but i do think that
> the contest will be between them and microsoft.
They are all in it for the money and that wasnt an at all biased comment at all was it tell me do you own a nintendo system?
> because Nintendo is all
> about the games, while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money
> side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet
> connections etc.
>
>
> sorry i was going to put this at the end of it too.
>
>
> Meaning that Sony will have a tougher time as Microsoft has so much
> money that if sony puts in a bid for a company then microsoft will do
> the same and will always come out winning.
> Ok, so yes im a Nintendo fan, a fan not a fanboy, but i do think that
> the contest will be between them and microsoft.
They are all in it for the money and that wasnt an at all biased comment at all was it tell me do you own a nintendo system?
> Boz wrote:
> while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money
> side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet
> connections etc.
Rabbit Killer wrote:
> They are all in it for the money
i didnt say they werent, if you read it properly you will see i said that they concentract on getting new things, like dvd etc, and spending money buying companies. nothing at all about them being init for the money and nintendo not.
> and that wasnt an at all biased
No it wasnt actually, if it was i would say something like, nintendo will win as they are the best and the other are rubbish, followed by some sad name sounding like the other 2 consoles.
> tell me do you own a nintendo system?
Yes and also i owned a PS2 (got rid as nothing intrested ME) and xbox (had to give to cousin for his birthday and im getting another xbox.
> while Sony and Microsoft are more about the money
> side of the things, such as buying developers and better internet
> connections etc.
Rabbit Killer wrote:
> They are all in it for the money
i didnt say they werent, if you read it properly you will see i said that they concentract on getting new things, like dvd etc, and spending money buying companies. nothing at all about them being init for the money and nintendo not.
> and that wasnt an at all biased
No it wasnt actually, if it was i would say something like, nintendo will win as they are the best and the other are rubbish, followed by some sad name sounding like the other 2 consoles.
> tell me do you own a nintendo system?
Yes and also i owned a PS2 (got rid as nothing intrested ME) and xbox (had to give to cousin for his birthday and im getting another xbox.
If there is any contest in the future then it's going to be Sony and Nintendo. Why ? Historically every console manufacturer outside of Japan hasn't succeeded - 3DO, Atari, Coleco, Neo Geo e.t.c Yes, SEGA failed in the console area and they're Japanese but that was down to cashflow and the dominance Sony and Nintendo had established, Sony was the main culprit with the Playstation though.
Microsoft have made a good console, but the frequent price drops ar symptomatic of failure. All console hardware is subsidised - Sony left it a year nearly before dropping a £100, Microsoft did it in months - and hte slaes figure show that it asn't caused by high sales negating the hardware production costs. Konami of Japan won't be doing MGS on Xbox over there - that alone has to be worrying for Microsoft.
Microsoft knows PCs well, they do damn good software, but the console market is different, you cannot just throw cash at everything and expect to win in terms of sales.
Incidentally Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NES exclusives, and with Nintendo having such exclusives as Mario early before Sony even though about it, I don't think anyone can say Nintendo didn't appreciate the value of exclusives !
~~Belldandy~~
Microsoft have made a good console, but the frequent price drops ar symptomatic of failure. All console hardware is subsidised - Sony left it a year nearly before dropping a £100, Microsoft did it in months - and hte slaes figure show that it asn't caused by high sales negating the hardware production costs. Konami of Japan won't be doing MGS on Xbox over there - that alone has to be worrying for Microsoft.
Microsoft knows PCs well, they do damn good software, but the console market is different, you cannot just throw cash at everything and expect to win in terms of sales.
Incidentally Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NES exclusives, and with Nintendo having such exclusives as Mario early before Sony even though about it, I don't think anyone can say Nintendo didn't appreciate the value of exclusives !
~~Belldandy~~
Belldandy wrote:
> Microsoft knows PCs well
Do you suppose if they leave rare will make games on PC? or make them for it anyway?
> Incidentally Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NES
> exclusives
But at the time gaming wasnt that big, and in my mind, and the minds of my freinds, consoles only took off in the N64 and PS1 era due to sony being a big name anyway.
> I don't think anyone can say
> Nintendo didn't appreciate the value of exclusives !
But i dont think they thought sony was that big a threat until it was too late and games which are big were only on PS1.
> Microsoft knows PCs well
Do you suppose if they leave rare will make games on PC? or make them for it anyway?
> Incidentally Metal Gear and Final Fantasy were originally NES
> exclusives
But at the time gaming wasnt that big, and in my mind, and the minds of my freinds, consoles only took off in the N64 and PS1 era due to sony being a big name anyway.
> I don't think anyone can say
> Nintendo didn't appreciate the value of exclusives !
But i dont think they thought sony was that big a threat until it was too late and games which are big were only on PS1.
Boz wrote:
> Do you suppose if they leave rare will make games on PC? or make them
> for it anyway?
Nintendo have made it clear that they could have retained Rare, but they didn't. Nintendo has been in the game a lot longer and had more success than Microsoft, they dumped Rare for a reason...like maybe 4 year development times and Rare's snale pace attitude ?
> But at the time gaming wasnt that big, and in my mind, and the minds
> of my freinds, consoles only took off in the N64 and PS1 era due to
> sony being a big name anyway.
Consoles took off with Megadrive and SNES, these two only built on the success - games like Sonic and Super Mario brought consoles towards the mainstream.
> But i dont think they thought sony was that big a threat until it was
> too late and games which are big were only on PS1.
The actual games Nintendo had sold well, it wasn't so much the fact Sony had the big games, it was the fact that Nintendo treated Europe and the USA as the poor relation - late Western translations led to a lack of games.....and the use of a cartridge. Even so, games like Perfect Dark excel past most stuff Sony could do, alongside Mario Kart, Mario 64 and Zelda. Sony were in effect selling a different kind of gaming than Nintendo, it appealed more to the mass market but wasn't necessarily a better kind of gaming than Nintendo's - mass appeal isn't always great.
~~Belldandy~~
> Do you suppose if they leave rare will make games on PC? or make them
> for it anyway?
Nintendo have made it clear that they could have retained Rare, but they didn't. Nintendo has been in the game a lot longer and had more success than Microsoft, they dumped Rare for a reason...like maybe 4 year development times and Rare's snale pace attitude ?
> But at the time gaming wasnt that big, and in my mind, and the minds
> of my freinds, consoles only took off in the N64 and PS1 era due to
> sony being a big name anyway.
Consoles took off with Megadrive and SNES, these two only built on the success - games like Sonic and Super Mario brought consoles towards the mainstream.
> But i dont think they thought sony was that big a threat until it was
> too late and games which are big were only on PS1.
The actual games Nintendo had sold well, it wasn't so much the fact Sony had the big games, it was the fact that Nintendo treated Europe and the USA as the poor relation - late Western translations led to a lack of games.....and the use of a cartridge. Even so, games like Perfect Dark excel past most stuff Sony could do, alongside Mario Kart, Mario 64 and Zelda. Sony were in effect selling a different kind of gaming than Nintendo, it appealed more to the mass market but wasn't necessarily a better kind of gaming than Nintendo's - mass appeal isn't always great.
~~Belldandy~~
Belldandy wrote:
> Do you suppose if they leave rare will make games on PC? >
> Nintendo have made it clear that they could have retained Rare
i meant do you suppose if microsoft do bad will they put rare games on pc to have the "extra" income.
also thanks for the other info Belldandy.
> Do you suppose if they leave rare will make games on PC? >
> Nintendo have made it clear that they could have retained Rare
i meant do you suppose if microsoft do bad will they put rare games on pc to have the "extra" income.
also thanks for the other info Belldandy.
Yeah, my point exactly.....
Belldandy wrote:
> Boz wrote:
> But at the time gaming wasnt that big, and in my mind, and the minds
> of my freinds, consoles only took off in the N64 and PS1 era due to
> sony being a big name anyway.
>
> Consoles took off with Megadrive and SNES, these two only built on the
> success - games like Sonic and Super Mario brought consoles towards
> the mainstream.
Consoles took off in the seventies... The Atari, Intellivision, etc.. systems were HUGE sellers, and household names (they still are).
> Boz wrote:
> But at the time gaming wasnt that big, and in my mind, and the minds
> of my freinds, consoles only took off in the N64 and PS1 era due to
> sony being a big name anyway.
>
> Consoles took off with Megadrive and SNES, these two only built on the
> success - games like Sonic and Super Mario brought consoles towards
> the mainstream.
Consoles took off in the seventies... The Atari, Intellivision, etc.. systems were HUGE sellers, and household names (they still are).
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