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Sony has told the producers of the Messiah chip to stop making it, or they shall face the legal wrath of Sony in all its might (which is a scary amount of might). So do you think the owner's of the PS2 should be allowed to decide whether or not their PS2 should be modified to allow import and 'back-up' (cough cough) games to be played?
The Argument For - People have spent up to 300 pounds on their piece of kit, so it should be up to them what they do with it. The chip also allows people who spend more than average buying import games only too find they can play them on their PAL PS2. So in that way, PS2 owners should be able to choose whether or not they chip it. Or on the other hand just get one of those external USB mod-chips. Safer than a Messiah chip, and doesnt invalidate your warranty (me thinks)
The Argument Against - Unfortunatley, this has much more evidence going for it. Firstly, you're ripping off developers who spend time and money making a game only for you to rip them off, copy it, and sell it at a slashed price. Many small developers may even, in the future, go out of business due to this. They cannot protect their games so the piracy folk have a field day. Secondly, fiddling with the insides of a console invalidate to warranty. So if that glass of Cola gets spilt in it you're done for. B****r.
I was wondering what all you folk think. Don't ask me yet because im not sure (my PS2 is not chipped :))
The Argument For - People have spent up to 300 pounds on their piece of kit, so it should be up to them what they do with it. The chip also allows people who spend more than average buying import games only too find they can play them on their PAL PS2. So in that way, PS2 owners should be able to choose whether or not they chip it. Or on the other hand just get one of those external USB mod-chips. Safer than a Messiah chip, and doesnt invalidate your warranty (me thinks)
The Argument Against - Unfortunatley, this has much more evidence going for it. Firstly, you're ripping off developers who spend time and money making a game only for you to rip them off, copy it, and sell it at a slashed price. Many small developers may even, in the future, go out of business due to this. They cannot protect their games so the piracy folk have a field day. Secondly, fiddling with the insides of a console invalidate to warranty. So if that glass of Cola gets spilt in it you're done for. B****r.
I was wondering what all you folk think. Don't ask me yet because im not sure (my PS2 is not chipped :))
Just noticed that I wrote 'too' instead of 'to'. I'm not illiterate, honest guv.
VenomByte wrote:
> If something can be *free*, it should
> be.
Nice to see a bit of socialism going on here: much more sensible than all that software industry hysteria.
Here's a list of a few things that - despite a lot of pathetic snivelling from multinational corps. - DIDN'T cause the end of the computer/music/film industries:
Home taping of music
Home taping of Speccy games
Copying floppy games for your mates
Making music compilations out of your own records
Taping stuff off the telly
Copying VHS videos
CD burning
Napster and its offspring
Chipping PS1s
Most people buy original games, but there's a limit to how much they can afford. If someone is buying ten pirate PS2 copies on top of that then making chipping/copying impossible isn't going to mean that person will spend £400 on the games from EB. But that's what all these industry figures would have us believe.
On the whole I'd say 'back-ups' are good for the industry, and for us. They widen the audience of games (especially amongst people who can't afford them NOW but will be able to later in life) and they mean that companies can't expect people to shell out £45 too try out a dreadful game.
And, no, my Playstation 2 isn't chipped either. Yet...
> If something can be *free*, it should
> be.
Nice to see a bit of socialism going on here: much more sensible than all that software industry hysteria.
Here's a list of a few things that - despite a lot of pathetic snivelling from multinational corps. - DIDN'T cause the end of the computer/music/film industries:
Home taping of music
Home taping of Speccy games
Copying floppy games for your mates
Making music compilations out of your own records
Taping stuff off the telly
Copying VHS videos
CD burning
Napster and its offspring
Chipping PS1s
Most people buy original games, but there's a limit to how much they can afford. If someone is buying ten pirate PS2 copies on top of that then making chipping/copying impossible isn't going to mean that person will spend £400 on the games from EB. But that's what all these industry figures would have us believe.
On the whole I'd say 'back-ups' are good for the industry, and for us. They widen the audience of games (especially amongst people who can't afford them NOW but will be able to later in life) and they mean that companies can't expect people to shell out £45 too try out a dreadful game.
And, no, my Playstation 2 isn't chipped either. Yet...
One thing I find funny is that Sony were one of the major record companies trying to shut Napster down.
Yet they still go ahead and release some of the top of the range MP3 players...
Yet they still go ahead and release some of the top of the range MP3 players...
It's very easy to moan about piracy, but it simply highlights a fundamental flaw in the way software laws are imposed.
If something can be *free*, it should be.
Raise taxes. Give government money to software companies.
Everyone pays for the NHS, whether or not they use it.
Everyone pays for the schools, whether or not they use them.
Everyonw should pay for software, whether or not they choose to use it.
If something can be *free*, it should be.
Raise taxes. Give government money to software companies.
Everyone pays for the NHS, whether or not they use it.
Everyone pays for the schools, whether or not they use them.
Everyonw should pay for software, whether or not they choose to use it.
Well you cannot really blame Sony for wanting the Messiah chip to stop being produced. They probably lose loads of money ever year from copied games. I don't think they care about the importing it is probably the copied games they are bothered about.
It's alot like Napster if you think about it. Messiah like Napster are offering people cheaper alternatives to play games / play music. People will usually take these alternatives and cost Sony/record companies a lot of money every year.
However, with a big company like Sony you are bound to not feel sympathetic. It's a huge company that makes loads of money, and the money they are losing is probably such a small percentage of their profits.
If they want to get people buying their products rather than copied ones they need to cut their prices for things like PS2. They ripped many people off with a £350 price tag and a dodgy distribution method when their console first came out. And still £250 for a PS2 is still quite bad (note I'm including the essentials like a memory card and game with the price).
So yes they have the right to do this but to be honest I think it's selfish. I wouldn't use a MOD chip because I don't want to take away money that companies who make the games, and sell the games deserve and also I'd rather have the original packaging then some rubbish copy with no manual and the game title written on the CD in felt tip pen. I'd also like the right to copy my CDs as CDs get scratched so easily and I don't want to ruin my expensive game. So I'd probably be against this.
It's the people that buy and sell copied games that we should be against NOT the people that allow this through chipping.
It's alot like Napster if you think about it. Messiah like Napster are offering people cheaper alternatives to play games / play music. People will usually take these alternatives and cost Sony/record companies a lot of money every year.
However, with a big company like Sony you are bound to not feel sympathetic. It's a huge company that makes loads of money, and the money they are losing is probably such a small percentage of their profits.
If they want to get people buying their products rather than copied ones they need to cut their prices for things like PS2. They ripped many people off with a £350 price tag and a dodgy distribution method when their console first came out. And still £250 for a PS2 is still quite bad (note I'm including the essentials like a memory card and game with the price).
So yes they have the right to do this but to be honest I think it's selfish. I wouldn't use a MOD chip because I don't want to take away money that companies who make the games, and sell the games deserve and also I'd rather have the original packaging then some rubbish copy with no manual and the game title written on the CD in felt tip pen. I'd also like the right to copy my CDs as CDs get scratched so easily and I don't want to ruin my expensive game. So I'd probably be against this.
It's the people that buy and sell copied games that we should be against NOT the people that allow this through chipping.
Sony has told the producers of the Messiah chip to stop making it, or they shall face the legal wrath of Sony in all its might (which is a scary amount of might). So do you think the owner's of the PS2 should be allowed to decide whether or not their PS2 should be modified to allow import and 'back-up' (cough cough) games to be played?
The Argument For - People have spent up to 300 pounds on their piece of kit, so it should be up to them what they do with it. The chip also allows people who spend more than average buying import games only too find they can play them on their PAL PS2. So in that way, PS2 owners should be able to choose whether or not they chip it. Or on the other hand just get one of those external USB mod-chips. Safer than a Messiah chip, and doesnt invalidate your warranty (me thinks)
The Argument Against - Unfortunatley, this has much more evidence going for it. Firstly, you're ripping off developers who spend time and money making a game only for you to rip them off, copy it, and sell it at a slashed price. Many small developers may even, in the future, go out of business due to this. They cannot protect their games so the piracy folk have a field day. Secondly, fiddling with the insides of a console invalidate to warranty. So if that glass of Cola gets spilt in it you're done for. B****r.
I was wondering what all you folk think. Don't ask me yet because im not sure (my PS2 is not chipped :))
The Argument For - People have spent up to 300 pounds on their piece of kit, so it should be up to them what they do with it. The chip also allows people who spend more than average buying import games only too find they can play them on their PAL PS2. So in that way, PS2 owners should be able to choose whether or not they chip it. Or on the other hand just get one of those external USB mod-chips. Safer than a Messiah chip, and doesnt invalidate your warranty (me thinks)
The Argument Against - Unfortunatley, this has much more evidence going for it. Firstly, you're ripping off developers who spend time and money making a game only for you to rip them off, copy it, and sell it at a slashed price. Many small developers may even, in the future, go out of business due to this. They cannot protect their games so the piracy folk have a field day. Secondly, fiddling with the insides of a console invalidate to warranty. So if that glass of Cola gets spilt in it you're done for. B****r.
I was wondering what all you folk think. Don't ask me yet because im not sure (my PS2 is not chipped :))