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Sun 03/04/05 at 13:09
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As far back as time (or textbooks at least) tell, Russia has always been autocratic. From your exhaustive intellects is this due to the fact it has always been an orthodox christian state which beleives in the supreme power of the Tsar and the divine right of kings, or is there another reason for it.

I know that post 1917 the communist regime made the country theoretically democratic, but as soon as Lenin died then Stalin took it back to autocracy again.

My question being, is there reasons other than religious ones that make Russia an autocratic nation?
Sun 03/04/05 at 13:09
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As far back as time (or textbooks at least) tell, Russia has always been autocratic. From your exhaustive intellects is this due to the fact it has always been an orthodox christian state which beleives in the supreme power of the Tsar and the divine right of kings, or is there another reason for it.

I know that post 1917 the communist regime made the country theoretically democratic, but as soon as Lenin died then Stalin took it back to autocracy again.

My question being, is there reasons other than religious ones that make Russia an autocratic nation?
Sun 03/04/05 at 13:12
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Yes.
Sun 03/04/05 at 13:13
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If so Mr. Munn, what be they?
Sun 03/04/05 at 13:32
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Dunno.
Sun 03/04/05 at 14:19
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It's geographic location probably doesn't help - crappy weather most of the time, which can't make for cheery living conditions. Look at countries like England, and middle to North America - rich because they've been able to establish themselves as farming/trading nations, which enabled industrial expansion. Middle-East countries around the equator are rich in oil, which is how they've managed to sustain their economy.

Food and oil, the two most essential things on Earth - Russia has neither to export to the extent of the Earth's main suppliers, so it will always be a poor, but large, sector of the World. That must contribute in some way to the general mood of the nation, and how they can be dominated by a central dictatorship that can supply all the food, clothing, jobs, money and vodka needed.

I think.
Sun 03/04/05 at 15:48
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Russia has pipelines that pipe oil.
There economy is based largely on oil and the extraction of other resources such as natural gas, it is said that in the near future Russia will be exporting much of its natural gas to England and America through pipelines.
Oil plays a major part, many of the tycoons that are connected with Russia have become rich through dabbling in the oil trade. Ambromovich?

They have a stable economy - Russia is even part of the G8.
The reason the people are generally poor is probably due to the Communism vs Capitalism ideas.

This was in reply to m_m's ideas.
Sun 03/04/05 at 16:28
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So basically the theory that people turn to extreme measures in desperate circumstances (which are natural in Russia due to the bad climate and lack of natural resources) is acted out by them either having a paternalist dictator, or striving for communism which has to be implemented autocratically and can be comandeered by powerhungery madman.

About right?
Sun 03/04/05 at 16:36
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Yes, to a certain extent.
If democracy thrived in a state like Russia then the people would still not be better off.
Its down to them being an Eastern country - rich economy, poor population, unlike Western countries - such as ourselves where we have a rich economy and the population is generally well off.

Basically what monkey_man was saying about the geographical position of the country - I wouldn't say they lacked resources though.
Sun 03/04/05 at 16:45
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Communism and Catholism go hand in hand in terms of theories about the way people should be equal.

Also, Individualism was taken away by the Communist regime so everyone was the same - and worshiped Stalin and Lenin as dictators because they were the individuals people wanted to be.
Sun 03/04/05 at 16:49
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Lenin probably would've brought about Communism though, had he not died.

Stalin was mad on power and never really intended to give general civil freedoms.

The odd thing about what you said below is the Catholics in Germany joined with the conservatives against communism, which wouldn't be the case if they had similar goals. Unless the Catholic goal has the church as the centre, and communism the party.

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