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Benoit Dead There are 50 replies
Original Message posted by Biggie Little Jr. on 25/06/2007 at 11:08:37PM
I'm honestly stunned by this, there's no article, it's on the front of WWE.COM. RIP CHRIS BENOIT and his family, he was on of the greats
 
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Machie
on 16/07/2007 at 5:06:45PM
Total Posts: 10530
 
Biggie Little Jr
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 16/07/2007 at 4:28:30PM
Edited: 16/7/07 16:29
Total Posts: 1940
Looks like the story has died down now. I haven't heard any new details for a while, i'm wandering if and when the toxicology report is made avaliable.
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 05/07/2007 at 11:35:52PM
Total Posts: 310
Tmz.com have since pulled their speculative report.
 
Biggie Little Jr
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 05/07/2007 at 10:45:23PM
Edited: 5/7/07 22:46
Total Posts: 1940
Well there's a link on Rajah to Tmz.com I think, or something like that, saying that it was Mysterio and Jindrak who took steroids. I can't vouch for the reliability of the source however, so take it with a pinch of salt.
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 05/07/2007 at 9:07:44PM
Total Posts: 310
You monster!
 
The Wardy
"Get It?Got It?Good!"
on 05/07/2007 at 7:57:24PM
Total Posts: 237
I bought a Benoit action figure from Woolies yesterday

Gonna be a rare item considering WWE wont be makin em anymore and most shops have been told to take them off the shelves!
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 05/07/2007 at 6:08:23PM
Total Posts: 310
Looks like Konnan is leading the charge to change the industry for the better:

To live and die....
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 04/07/2007 at 11:23:42PM
Total Posts: 310
As for Rey and Jindrak, neither are confirmed as clients to Phil Astin.

"The indictment lists 1,050 tablets of Percocet and Lorcet prescribed to an O.G. and a much larger quantity of Percocet, Adderall, Lorcet, Xanax, and Vicoprofen to an M.J.

There has been no statement by authorities that O.G. and M.J. are pro wrestlers."

Having said that, it's likely that the "OG" initials refer to Mysterio, his real name being "Oscar Guttierez"
"MJ", on the other hand could be Marty Jannetty, or even somebody like Michael Jordan, since it is not yet certain that they are wrestlers...
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 04/07/2007 at 10:58:09PM
Total Posts: 310
Goodness, that site is pop-up city!

I think the most pertinent quote is:
“She was into devil-worship stuff. It was part of her [wrestling] character, but [she was] somebody who gets so close to their character, someone who gets into their character too much. Sometimes these people believe their own publicity.”

At least he acknowledged that it was part of her character, and obviously it's his word against anyone elses to suggest that she took things beyond her gimmick. Personally, I don't believe him; he's proven himself to be a bitter old man that has his own agenda in the past.
His remark about people believing their own publicity is hilarious, since Hogan of all people is probably the most guilty of this.
 
Biggie Little Jr
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 04/07/2007 at 10:32:54PM
Total Posts: 1940
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 04/07/2007 at 10:12:01PM
Total Posts: 310
Biggie Little Jr wrote:
> Hulk Hogan has come out and said that Nancy Benoit was into
> devil worship, although I don't believe most of the things that
> come out of the Hulksters mouth.


What? Can I have a link to this? Woman was involved in an angle in WCW years ago that suggested Satan worship, but for Hogan to connect this with reality is ignorant beyond words. I can't believe he said that.
 
Biggie Little Jr
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 04/07/2007 at 8:19:01AM
Total Posts: 1940
There's some more updates and rumours flying around, all from sescoops:

Hulk Hogan has come out and said that Nancy Benoit was into devil worship, although I don't believe most of the things that come out of the Hulksters mouth.

Also, Chris Benoit allegedly talked to his neighbour in between the murders, which is not a nice thought in my mind.

Furthermore, it has emerged that Chris Benoit took out Life Insurance policy in which his other two children, Megan and David, where the beneficiaries.

The doctor who prescribed Benoit his drugs has been linked to some more wrestlers, one being Mark Jindrank, who you lot ma not remember used to form a tag team with Garrison Cade (Now Lance), and the other being Rey Mysterio.
 
Biggie Little Jr
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 04/07/2007 at 1:10:58AM
Total Posts: 1940
Davey Boy Smith is dead :O
 
Machie
on 04/07/2007 at 12:56:28AM
Total Posts: 10530
This is really depressing, not only because of what's recently happened, but also I'm finding out lots of wrestlers I use to watch are now dead. =( There must be a reason why so many die in their 20ies, 30ies and 40ies.

Bloody hell even Big Boss Man is dead =(
 
Machie
on 04/07/2007 at 12:46:24AM
Total Posts: 10530
More news, it also mentions about his son and his "Dwarf/Fragile X Syndrome" which Congy mentioned earlier. It's looking like that too, is all a bunch of lies. =/

Chris Benoit was a systematic abuser of anabolic steroids thanks to a 'dirty doctor' prescribing him 10-months' worth every three to four weeks from May 4 2006 and May 9 2007, drug enforcement cops in the States have revealed.

...

Former WWE intercontinental champion Lance Storm said: "I think one thing is clear, regardless of the role drugs played in Chris Benoit's state of mind, the wrestling industry has some serious drug issues that are going to have to be dealt with very soon.

"We have seen deaths in this industry due to drug overdoses, drug-related heart attacks, suicides due to possible drug-related depression, and now perhaps even drug-related murder.

"Something needs to be done and it needs to be done now!"

Abuse of steroids, painkillers and recreational drugs has played a part in the deaths of many of the estimated 60 wrestlers who have passed away before the age of 45 in the last decade.

Some of Benoit's friends, including Eddie Guerrero (38), British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith (39), Mike 'Johnny Grunge' Durham (39) and Brian Pillman (35), are already on the list of premature deaths.

On the same weekend Benoit murdered his family an old tag team partner of his, Shane 'Biff Wellington' Bower, was found dead in his home. He was just 42-years-old.

In another blow for the WWE, police are now disputing their claim that Chris and Nancy argued over what to do with Daniel, who they said suffered from Fragile X Syndrome.

WWE lawyer Jerry McDevitt last week suggested that Daniel — who was injected with growth hormone by Benoit — had the condition which can cause autism and mental retardation.

But District Attorney Scott Ballard said: "There are additional reports that contradict the earlier information suggesting that Daniel Benoit may have suffered from Dwarf Syndrome or Fragile X Syndrome.

"Daniel's family denies that he suffered from either condition.

"As a result of the family's concerns, the Fayette County Sheriff's investigators and the District Attorney's Office have inquired into this matter.

"A source reviewed Daniel's medical reports and they do not mention any pre-existing mental or physical impairment.

"Reports from Daniel's educators likewise contradict the claims that Daniel was physically undersized.
 
Biggie Little Jr.
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 02/07/2007 at 10:11:04PM
Total Posts: 1940
The Crossface is not a chokehold, and do we even know what Daniel died of yet?
 
Nin
"Karma Drama"
on 02/07/2007 at 10:01:10PM
Total Posts: 6123
Machie wrote:
> I just read that police are speculating that he used his
> "Crippler Crossface" move, to kill his son.

I think this is probably the most ridiculous of the many rumours i've heard so far. It'll be an ordinary choke or sleeper hold
 
DoomBaboon1982
on 02/07/2007 at 5:44:44PM
Total Posts: 215
Kawada wrote:
> The crossface isn't a choke hold though, it's a submission move,
> so if the kid died of asphyxiation it couldn't have been that,
> at least not in its normal form

Yeah it is ...... on a man whos 250lbs. Do that on a kid whith a severe muscle/developmental disablility and it will either break the neck or possibly just stretch the throat so much the kid cant breath. I dont know i am no doctor but lets just hope not eh
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 02/07/2007 at 5:20:52PM
Total Posts: 310
Yes, it's all coming out now, just as I feared. GAH
 
Kawada
"Brooklyn boy"
on 02/07/2007 at 1:54:59PM
Total Posts: 2880
The crossface isn't a choke hold though, it's a submission move, so if the kid died of asphyxiation it couldn't have been that, at least not in its normal form
 
DoomBaboon1982
on 02/07/2007 at 10:18:32AM
Total Posts: 215
OH god i hope not.

This is all so sad.

That would have split the little boy in 2
 
Machie
on 02/07/2007 at 8:28:02AM
Total Posts: 10530
I just read that police are speculating that he used his "Crippler Crossface" move, to kill his son.

District Attorney Scott Ballard said: "A choke hold was used to strangle the boy, rather than hands, because there's no bruising consistent with strangulation by hands."

Respected American wrestling scribe Dave Meltzer added: "The police investigators were perplexed by the nature of the bruising on Daniel, until one of them watched footage of a Benoit wrestling match, saw him using the move, and in looking closely, realized the bruising patterns on Daniel matched the application of the hold."
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 01/07/2007 at 6:58:44PM
Edited: 1/7/07 19:21
Total Posts: 310
Lucy-Jane wrote:
>I still think its not as straight cut as people want us to
> believe.

How so?

The reason I ask is I've heard some horrific "rumours" over the last few days which I'm sure will surface next week. In this tragedy, it's been a trend that most of the more logical unconfirmed rumours have turned out to be true, so I'm actually dreading the kind of things we're going to hear in the coming week(s). I'm prepared to accept that Benoit lost his mind and move on from these horrible events.
 
Lucy-Jane
"Vodka Queen"
on 01/07/2007 at 6:15:42PM
Edited: 1/7/07 18:16
Total Posts: 79
Nin wrote:
>
> His wifes death was posted on Wikipedia before it was known she
> was dead. The IP supposedly registered back to Connecticut. I
> wonder where the WWE head offices are...

Their HQ is in Stamford Connecticut. And they have confirmed that the IP address is not related to the WWE. In fact that he taken the person who did it computer away from him.

I still think its not as straight cut as people want us to believe.
 
Nin
"Karma Drama"
on 30/06/2007 at 12:57:48AM
Total Posts: 6123
Biggie Little Jr. wrote:
> Machie wrote:
> What's this about someone posting about their death on
> Wikipedia
> 13 hours before the police found the bodies? :S

His wifes death was posted on Wikipedia before it was known she was dead. The IP supposedly registered back to Connecticut. I wonder where the WWE head offices are...
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 30/06/2007 at 12:13:47AM
Total Posts: 310
Biggie Little Jr. wrote:
> The Sun today reported that Daniel had needle marks in his arms,
> something to do with growth hormones?

That was reported days ago, I suggest you scroll down the page a bit...
 
Biggie Little Jr.
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 29/06/2007 at 10:43:51PM
Edited: 29/6/07 22:44
Total Posts: 1940
Machie wrote:
> What's this about someone posting about their death on Wikipedia
> 13 hours before the police found the bodies? :S

Someone heard a rumour Benoit had family issues so they just posted that on Wikipedia, it was a coincidence. The confession is true because the IP address of the confessor matches that of wich the article was submitted from.

The Sun today reported that Daniel had needle marks in his arms, something to do with growth hormones?
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 28/06/2007 at 9:07:50PM
Edited: 29/6/07 19:03
Total Posts: 310
Here's what I've pieced together:

Benoit killed his wife during a domestic dispute, possibly in a brief "roid rage". It's possible the argument was about caring for Daniel.
In the following hours, he was riddled with grief and may have considered going on the run, at this point he confided in Chavo Guerrero via phone call or email. I believe it was Chavo who posted the update on Wikipedia, for whatever reason.
In a mindset of grief and panic(possibly steroid related mental issues came into play here) Benoit decided that he didn't want his son to grow up without his parents, since they knew how to cater to his disibility better than anyone. He decided to kill his son and then himself, and the placing of bibles beside Nancy and Daniel's bodies would ensure their passage to heaven.

None of what I have written justifies what Benoit did, but may shed some light on why.
 
Machie
on 28/06/2007 at 8:40:34PM
Total Posts: 10530
What's this about someone posting about their death on Wikipedia 13 hours before the police found the bodies? :S
 
Biggie Little Jr.
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 28/06/2007 at 8:23:48PM
Total Posts: 1940
Jilian Hall slammed Chris Benoit in her blog.
 
Lucy-Jane
"Vodka Queen"
on 28/06/2007 at 8:13:32PM
Edited: 28/6/07 20:14
Total Posts: 79
I still dont think its dry cut. Theres bound to be a couple of twists until we find the truth
 
Cong Man
"..."
on 28/06/2007 at 8:09:02PM
Edited: 28/6/07 20:09
Total Posts: 1149
Biggie Little Jr. wrote:
> Shooby wrote:
> The sad reality is he murdered his wife and child
>
> That's exactly the point. Benoit is a murderer, whenever I see
> one of his matches i'll never look at him the same way again.
> Sure, one of the best wrestlers there's ever been, but a
> MURDERER, and I hope he rots in hell.

It's not very often I take to quoting large passages from other websites, especially considering most WWE guys will be quite guarded in their comments...wanting to protect their jobs etc...but RVD, free of that pressure, hits the nail on the head:-

"Well, there’s no need to wait until we have our heads wrapped around this, because I doubt that’ll happen, so here it is. I know that a monster committed those terrible, unforgivable acts of horror. Just like everyone who knew Chris Benoit, I can’t think of him as a monster. Not Chris.

Chris was truly a role model’s role model. You simply had to respect him and admire his focus and unmatched discipline. If I ever got asked a question about who I looked up to the most in the business, you guessed it. That’s me sharing a real feeling with you. Not talking about bull **** that I have little interest in, like who would I like most to wrestle with, or what’s my favorite color, but who I actually looked up to in the dressing room. It’s Chris Benoit- in the ring and in the dressing room and with his family.

The last time I talked to Chris, a few weeks ago, he told me how much he respected me for stepping away from the business. His message now comes to me from beyond. He said “Some of us don’t know when to get out.” I told him that I always held a little contempt for him telling me back in 1992 that I was a dumb-ass for wanting to quit WCW, and mentioned the irony.

Over the last several years, on overseas tours I’d always see Chris in the gym when the other guys were recovering from the night before. He’d train hard and sometimes I’d see him allowing young wrestlers to follow his lead and get a guaranteed killer workout. He took pride in what he did and set a great example for others, myself included, to follow.

How many murderers…baby murderers at that… are praised so highly by EVERYONE who knew them? This is all so bizarre and new information seems to come out every few hours but I can’t imagine we’ll ever understand what happened here. It appears that Chris took the answers with him. To tell you the honest truth, the easiest thing for me to believe at this moment is that if no frame work was involved, he was taken over by demonic energies with no compassion. I have to believe this is often the case with such inhumane acts.

Nancy, Daniel and Chris’ tragic deaths obviously have affected a lot of people. Just remember, there’s enough hate in this world. Hateful thoughts do not move us in the right direction, so make a conscious effort to remember that. It’s important now and always."


As for "Roid Rage". Absolute rubbish. We KNOW the family was killed over the length of a whole weekend. A RAGE quite simnply could NOT last that long.
 
AliBoy
"Picking a winner!"
on 28/06/2007 at 10:29:50AM
Total Posts: 341
Machie wrote:
> Do you think steroids and this "roid rage" might be
> what lead to this happening? Hasnt he been taking steroid for
> decades now? I dont think that's healthy.

I think it probably had something to do with it, they not only give you "roid rage" but make you very paranoid. Given that they had trouble before (wife filed for divorce) then maybe something happened that sent him over the edge.

> Is steroids the cause of other wrestlers dying too?

Many wrestlers have died from heart failure - one of the serious dangers to taking "roids" is the damage they can do to some of your organs - including the heart.
 
Machie
on 28/06/2007 at 9:05:09AM
Total Posts: 10530
Just reading an article on The Sun website (The newspaper you can trust)

It mentions about him giving his son shots because he had problems etc. Then it goes on about how he and fellow friend who is also dead were customers buying steroid illegally.

Do you think steroids and this "roid rage" might be what lead to this happening? Hasnt he been taking steroid for decades now? I dont think that's healthy.

Is steroids the cause of other wrestlers dying too? As expected the WWE says  "Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death"

riiiiiight ¬_¬
 
Biggie Little Jr.
"LOLLERSKATES!"
on 27/06/2007 at 5:31:22PM
Total Posts: 1940
Shooby wrote:
> The sad reality is he murdered his wife and child

That's exactly the point. Benoit is a murderer, whenever I see one of his matches i'll never look at him the same way again. Sure, one of the best wrestlers there's ever been, but a MURDERER, and I hope he rots in hell.
 
Shooby
"Forum Tweener"
on 27/06/2007 at 5:25:53PM
Total Posts: 310
Come on people, we're clutching at straws here. I wish he didn't do it aswell, I'm hoping against hope too. The sad reality is he murdered his wife and child, regardless of his state of mind or his religious intentions(murder and suicide are mortal sins last time I checked?).

And no, I'm not being my usual cynical scoffing self, everything points to him doing it, including the "tie up loose ends" text he sent to Chavo. Benoit was easily one of my favourite pure Wrestlers of all time, I remember watching him back in the WCW days with Woman(Nancy) as his manager, but obviously that's all seriously tainted now.