It was alright. Poor Dent.

pb wrote:
> Exactly what I thought happened.  But it would make sense the
> other way around, being as Bruce was resting all his hopes for
> Gotham on Harvey.

He was definitely going to save Rachel but Joker told him wrong as he is the Joker.

Guess we'll see what Nolan pulls out of the hat for the third one. I cannot wait, might go into hibenation for a few years...

Nin wrote:
> pete_21 wrote:
> But the decision for Batman to save Dent and
> Gordon to save Rachel (not the other way round as everyone
> would
> have naturally assumed) and the repercussions that this
> decision
> turns out to have was a stroke of genius.
>
> I thought that, then i thought it over again and i think what
> actually happened was he went to save Rachel (as he said) but the
> Joker lied about their locations and switched them.


Exactly what I thought happened.  But it would make sense the other way around, being as Bruce was resting all his hopes for Gotham on Harvey.

pete_21 wrote:
> But the decision for Batman to save Dent and
> Gordon to save Rachel (not the other way round as everyone would
> have naturally assumed) and the repercussions that this decision
> turns out to have was a stroke of genius.

I thought that, then i thought it over again and i think what actually happened was he went to save Rachel (as he said) but the Joker lied about their locations and switched them.
As far as i'm aware the 3rd film is a near certainty. Bale and a few more of the cast are on a 3 film contract.

I don't think we'll see a Bat/Supes crossover any time soon.  Justice League would be first and that's in limbo at the moment as it is.

You could quite easily introduce Azrael at the start of the film, Valley could be introduced as someone who has been partially brainwashed and does a few tasks as part of the order before meeting Batman.  The story could be changed a little so that Bruce takes him under his wing, with a few fights over how they both do things differently, and he has no choice but to let him take on the mantle of Batman when he's injured, but then comes back in the last 15 mins of the film when Valley fails.

The only issue I have is seeing how much they changed the Superman Doomsday story for the movie.  It turned out ok, but it was a shadow of the original.  Live action would need an even more radical rethink.

I think they'd re-write the story quite well, we already saw at the end of the Dark Knight that Batman is being wore down, infact throughout the movie you saw subtle signs of the beatings he's taken already (the scene near the begining where he has the bruises and marks up his back.) Plus we saw him sleeping through a board meeting. Here's a rough idea of how I think it could go.

The movie begins and we hear about this new drug being peddled through the streets of Gotham. The drug is similar to steriods but has massive side effects on the personality. Petty crooks are hooked on it and are proving tough to take down for Batman, we then find out a bit about Bane. (But like Joker he's already established in the universe so no need for an origin story just a bit of backstory.)

We then see Bane stage a mass breakout from Arkham (maybe another few scenes for scarecrow, would say joker too but since heath is no longer available don't want to see that recast.) Crime rates rise etc etc. We then get our Mid-Story point where Bane and Batman show down, low and behold Batman gets his back broken or something along those lines.

Now the biggest problem is where to go from here, this battle between Bane and Batman would be epic. The biggest problem I would have is either introducing a character who could replace batman temporarily or something along those lines. Perhaps another vigilante who is becoming quite notorious? Either way I would imagine that the fake Batman takes down Bane, and then we see the "fake" Batman actually take a life and this shocks all those around (Gordon etc) which escalates to a showdown at the end between Batman and the Fake Batman.

To be honest it is not easy to work out how it would be pulled of perfectly. Another thing I would love to see is an Batman Superman crossover, perhaps have the Third batman begining with this radical computer virus (Brainiac) causing mayhem which ends up with results in The Man of Steel showing up.

They'd need to re-write Knightfall to fit into one film, do you introduce Azreal?  Nightwing?  How much backstory would Bane have?  What can you replace the Arkham breakout with? (Maybe introduce some smaller villians who would break out of Arkham, but it doesn't have the same effect of wearing Bruce down enough).

Not sure if Bane would be better off being gradually introduced (ie: Background of next film and then built up for the next after that).

Not sure if Riddler would fit with the feel of the universe unless he was utterly demented.  Catwoman would but it would be yet another origin for her (the Prostitute one from the Catwoman stories in the 90's would be the best fit). 

What about Manbat?  Some great stories in the 70's to draw from.  Anarky maybe, or Clayface.

Don't think we'd see Joker or Ra again, Lazerus pit is probably a tad too far for Nolans universe I would think.

Popular theories lie in the Riddler being the next villian or maybe Bane.

Would love too see Bane vs. Batman (maybe even do the back-breaking storyline?)

But as it stands Nolan hasn't stated that there will be third one yet, but do bear in mind that he said the same for the second one.


Finally seen the movie 3 times in the cinema now, still LOVE it. It's one of those movies where you just want more after you're done. Best comparison I can think of is the Empire strikes back where at the end you have luke handless Han stoned (pardon the pun) and everything quite frankly gone bottoms up.

I really would love to see a third one but it'll be a few years yet :(

What would everyone like to see in the third one?

I loved it.

Though Ledger's Joker is the best screen Joker by far, I still think there's room for improvement to get closer to the gritty Joker of the comics and graphic novels.  I'm thinking more of the great stories such as Killing Joke and around the time of Bane when the Joker was really insane, but still perfectly balanced enough to draw Batman in to the same moral dilemma's as in Dark Knight.

I do really like the whole Joker trying to force Batman to see his world the way he sees it though, that was lifted straight from some of the best stories in the comics, it's nice to have the fact that they both realise they need each other in there.  Hopefully he'll be back, though it would be hard to find someone to fill Ledger's shoes, and they can explore the yin and yang of the Joker/Batman circle further.

and Two Face...can't be dead.  But then they need to sort out the same problem with Ra's as well, there is so much to explore and during the 70's Ra's was really Batman's other main enemy, not to mention the whole Talia affair.  But then Ra's has the Lazarus Pits to bring him back, I guess...

Saw it today, I'd give it a 8.9. Perfect acting nearly all round, but too many things seemed a bit far fetched and bit of work around.

IMDB is useless for ratings, the boards are some of the worst forums I have ever visited. It's good for general information but I wouldn't touch the ratings with an barge pole.

Hoping to go on Sunday, which is the earliest I'll be able to go and watch it.

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I haven't read any of this thread. However I did want to say as good as it might be, I'm not sure it should be rated #1 on IMDB top movie list. Now The Godfather (which I also havent seen) has fallen two places after getting lots of 1 votes.

I don't have a great deal to say apart from I watched this earlier today and it really is brilliant. By far the best film I've seen in a long time.

If you're trying to decide whether you'll wait and watch it on DVD, or to watch it via a 'cheaper' alternative, don't. You have to watch it on a big big screen, it's well worth the money.

Again.....Warning Spoilers Ahead !.




Things I wanted to but couldn't put in my review :


I found Batman questioning his own reasons for existing was handled very well in this film.Especially following The Jokers chilling execution of one of his copycat crusaders.Not Batmans fault but it seemed to punish him still further.This led up of course to Rachels death which left him a burned out wreck seemingly unwilling to take on the force that was the psychotic and totally unpredictable Joker.

I liked the way the line between good and evil was blurred.There was no straightforward good vs evil to be found here.The Joker implies he did not have a happy childhood while Dent was a decent guy who was passionate about cleaning up Gotham City.Only for that passion to end up costing him everything.Neither were straightforward and purely evil villains.Batman himself sacrifices everything in a bid to protect the people of the city only to be despised for his actions.

I thought Harvey Dents transformation from the crusading District Attorney into the twisted Two Face was handled superbly.Half way through the film I wondered how are going to pull this off ?.But the decision for Batman to save Dent and Gordon to save Rachel (not the other way round as everyone would have naturally assumed) and the repercussions that this decision turns out to have was a stroke of genius.

Finally Batman's refusal to kill The Joker at the end and then take the rap for Dents killing spree was a nice touch as well.Again returning him to an outcast in Gotham City.

All in all this a great script with no weak links.For me Christopher Nolan has pulled off one the greatest tricks of all time.He has banished the memory of Joel Schumachers 'Batman & Robin'.Now that was one crap movie !!!.As long as this franchise is in Nolans hands I do not feel we have a lot to worry about.

lol that makes no sense.

I thought the way they worked it out was fantastic. Maybe, just maybe I would've left two-face's fate a little more ambiguous.

It was such a sombre ending I felt it was like, we need Batman because we have no other hope.

So sequel/future incarnations what do people want?

Me personally I would love to see a Superman cross over, though I wonder how hard it might be in Nolans universe. Could you imagine Clark Kent comes to Gotham for whatever reason, perhaps investigating Wayne enterprises. Batman and Superman clash slightly for whatever reason crossed wires or something.

But in the end turns out they both need to work together to defeat whatever for is causing problems.

In a Batman only universe I'm not too sure where I want it to go from here, I don't want a repeat of the Dark Knight, which deserves to be left as it is. I guess the integral part of Batman is that the battle never ends.

I've read numerous times that Nolan doesn't want to do Robin etc but I think they could pull it off brilliantly. Perhaps end that movie on more of an up.

Ultimately I would love to see an Justice League based movie. It would rock something chronic.

SPOILER!!! DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING!






















The film was fantastic!! I caught a 12'o'clock showing yesterday afternoon!! I loved it all but the first bank heist was really clever. One thing i didn't like, well that's a bit harsh, one thing that let the film down slightly was the rushed ending with Two-face. When we came to meet Two-face for the first time i thought to myself that the film must be nearly over and that there would be a sequel, but instead they carried on with the film and crammed him into the end. At the time i thought it was a waste of a possible sequel but the i got talking to some mates and we figured out why. Heath ledger is dead. That means they would have to find a replacement Joker and he obviously wouldn't live up to Ledgers proformance which in turn would spoil the possible sequel. After all this thinking we got drinks and i realised that because of the situation, the film was Brilliant in every single way and the ending did not in fact let it down. :)

Hope that makes sense.

OK this is my one and only warning, the movie is out now and people have seen it so there will be plenty of open chat about the movie and intricate plot details so if you want to remain unspoiled then get the hell outta my thread :p








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Ok so what did people think of the movie overall? My thoughts are pretty obvious, it was amazing. Felt like such a "Dark" movie, and to me it ended on a complete downer. I mean this is BATMAN and how it should be.

Thoughts? The Joker WOW how amazing was Heath Ledger, I mean when he was first announced I knew he would take the role and make it his but to this extreme? Who would've thought.

Some of my favourite scenes include the "Magic Trick" the various different stories he gives for the scars, the truck scene, the hospital scene. Infact not one of his scenes was weak in anyway. I loved his bit with Two-Face.

Remember I said I was spoiled? Well that was the bit where Rachel dies. I was a bit gutted that I knew about it when I had heard nothing about it before hand. My mate was shocked when it happened.

I actually thought that Gordan was dead too, but then I remembered the bit in the prison with the mayor hadn't happened so I knew he was coming back.

So what did everyone else think? Which bits really blew you away? Anyone dislike the movie I would like to hear from you if you didn't.

Just got back from seeing it, a very impressive movie.

Luetchyboy wrote:
> The Reaper wrote:
> Should've watched the advance screening yesterday instead of
> Donkey Punch to be honest.
>
> ^What? What? WHAT?
>
> You chose some cheap gimmick movie over the epic Dark Knight,
> ohhh I pity the fool.

Haha :P Not really, we missed the showing and so for £3.60 we thought, why not. For the record, it's hilarious; albeit unintentionally.

Ok the movie ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll have a review up a bit later on.

The Reaper wrote:
> Should've watched the advance screening yesterday instead of
> Donkey Punch to be honest.

^What? What? WHAT?

You chose some cheap gimmick movie over the epic Dark Knight, ohhh I pity the fool.

Should've watched the advance screening yesterday instead of Donkey Punch to be honest.

I am finally going to see this today!!!!!!!!!

Hurrah, I cannot wait.

jubbachainsaw wrote:
> For my and the best Dark Knight countdown, which is better than
> another staffies (not naming any names Luetchyboy)
>
> Click
> Here

That works great! Unless you use a good browser such as firefox :|

I love goats!

For my and the best Dark Knight countdown, which is better than another staffies (not naming any names Luetchyboy)

Click Here

Nin wrote:
> I stopped reading anything about it the day it came out in
> America.

That's pretty much been my line, but I was reading Wikipedia about two-face (the character in general rather than the movies one) and one line of text caught my eye and bang a major plot development had been given away. I knew absolutely nothing about this plot point, not even a hint at it. Argh I knew this would happen, even though before I had a rough general idea of what was coming I knew there still would be points that would make me go "Woah!" Oh well, only 3 days 8 hours and 40 minutes until I can see it :>

I stopped reading anything about it the day it came out in America.

OMG I just accidently read a MASSIVE spoiler with regards to the movie. I am not happy.

The prologue is actually the start of the movie anyway. So I don't think anybody will miss it. PS 5 days 5 hours 9 minutes and 1 second until I see the movie.

Vexxxed wrote:
> Does that link work for anyone else? Just goes to a black screen
> for me ¬_¬
>
> For that fact, you are officially the worst Staffie ever!

Somebody not naming names (Jubba) decided to "improve" my site but actually messed it up, but alas it is fixed now.

Recommend that you watch the prequel movie to the Dark Knight, which is on the Blu-ray disc of Batman Begins or online at the usual places.

It was shown at IMAX cinemas in place of a trailer and really sets the scene for the Joker's character.

Does that link work for anyone else? Just goes to a black screen for me ¬_¬

For that fact, you are officially the worst Staffie ever!

For all you little Dark Knight freaks, like me!

I made myself a nice little page that has a countdown until the showing of Dark Knight I will be seeing.

Here