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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 12/01/2009 at 2:56:31PM
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Grandprix
"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 28/03/2009 at 4:03:33AM
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Saturday practice was interesting. Raikkonen pulled off the track early with hydraulic problems and 'something broke on the brakes' as said by Vettel, which was later mentioned as a broken wheel nut.
And Rosberg at the top again. Looks like a 4 team scrap for pole position.
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Grandprix
"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 28/03/2009 at 4:09:21PM
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Well, Brawn GP were particularly dominant and an F1 report says they were heavier than their rivals, which is even more impressive.
Both Toyota's excluded because of a flexing rear wing piece so they have work to do to get their car legal even before they go racing.
Hamilton's gearbox change puts him back to 18th, which isn't that far back from the 15th he originally qualified.
All in all, a good qualifying session, particularly the elimination sessions.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 28/03/2009 at 10:00:51PM
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Should be a very interesting race tomorrow. Would really like to see it all live but with the clocks going back and the race being a really early one i'm not sure I'll manage. Will Sky+ it and watch later.
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Tappet
"wheres the Any Key?"
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on 29/03/2009 at 5:35:55AM
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Muddy Talker (Murry Walker) is back!
Murray Walker became a broadcasting legend during 50 years of commentating on F1 for the BBC.
Murray was the BBC's F1 commentator from 1948 until 1996, and continued in the same role for ITV until retiring in 2001.
He became a household name for his exuberant commentary style, which was famously described by critic Clive James as "like his trousers are on fire".
He was also famous for his infectious, and obvious, enthusiasm for his subject, and earned the nickname Muddly Talker for mis-speaking entertainingly in the heat of the moment.
Among his more famous utterances were: "I'll stop the startwatch", "you can cut the tension with a cricket stump", "excuse me while I interrupt myself" and, perhaps most famously of all, "unless I'm very much mistaken… and, yes, I am very much mistaken".
Murray will be a regular feature on the BBC Sport website in 2009, sharing his views of the weekend's racing and taking part in interactive sessions with F1 fans.
GO GO GO!
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Grandprix
"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 29/03/2009 at 6:22:58PM
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Good race. Lots of battles and a good amount of overtaking, even if some of it was a bit clumsy.
Those Ferraris were weird. They started off okay but Massa losing out to Hamilton on the pit stops was just bizarre. I didn't see his times but he must have been going so slowly to lose a fair chunk of time.
The KERS system looked very effective in the race. If used right, it is certainly helpful in getting past cars.
Malaysia is a different battle and I think reliability problems are more likely to show up there.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 30/03/2009 at 8:48:02AM
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Agreed, it was a great race to watch. Button and the team deserve that win after the bumpy year last year and it was nice to see him on the podium, but I fear for viewing figures after yet another last minute change with Hamilton getting third despite not being on the podium (due to a steward's decision later on).
KERS does look good, in fact it reminds me of those early 90's arcade games using turbo which recharges over time. It's like a less powerful nitro without the flames!
Anyway, promising start to the year.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 02/04/2009 at 2:04:29PM
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When will they learn?
As you may have heard, Hamilton and the team have had their points and place taken away after another look into the race incident that saw him gain a 1 place lead after the race ended.
While there may have been good reason, we don't know as no-one is releasing details and more importantly it puts the sport back in to the bad books of would be followers after just the first race.
If a decision has been made within 12 hours of the race finishing, it should be final unless a very major incident changes the outcome, not some minor discretion.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 02/04/2009 at 2:33:38PM
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The FIA have released a statement saying Hamilton and his team manager misled the stewards, which resulted in a time penalty for Trulli.
Put simply, Hamilton said, on the day, that there was no contact with the team to tell him to let Trulli past. Today, radio transmissions were made available which contradicted Hamilton's statement and Hamilton also made comments to the media about chat between the team and Hamilton.
Looks like a mess that could have been avoided if Hamilton had told the truth and accepted the 4th place, although he should be 3rd because Trulli was not allowed to repass, but there you go.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 02/04/2009 at 3:13:12PM
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Ah, I didn't read that till after I posted.
Well, then the reason is good for docking the points, stupid thing to lie about really.
It's still annoying how the whole thing was handled, but at least Brawn GP drivers seem to be keeping their places/points (for now, anyway!).
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 02/04/2009 at 3:35:34PM
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Just waiting for the bombshell on the 14th April about the diffusers. :D
There is talk of Hamilton being disqualified from the whole Championship as what he did is a breach of the International Sporting Code. Worrying times for Hamilton fans.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 02/04/2009 at 3:37:18PM
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and the BBC I guess, being as Hamilton seems to have brought in a whole load of new viewers...
Still, there's always Button.
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Dragonlance
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on 02/04/2009 at 7:13:32PM
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Did this ever happen in the days of Jackie Stewart et al or did you just race cars then and win, come second, third etc....until the next race and it started all again...pure and simple.
Not that I'm interested anymore as I used to be in GP racing, mainly due to the stupidity of introducing more and more rules and regulations that at times completely baffle the 'old race viewer'. It's not so much about team tactics anymore, but about which teams can band together to apply 'technical objections' after the race has finished and so end up with the farce that is GP racing today.
Good luck to both Hamilton and Button during this year's Championship farce...I shall be a 'closet observer' but not a fan:-(
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pete_21
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on 02/04/2009 at 7:57:15PM
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Is it because I is black ?.
Getting well fed up of this crap TBH.After a promising start to this years F1 championship it sadly looks like the FIA plan to screw it up as usual.If the reigning world champion does not get chance to defend his crown and the Brawn,Toyota etc. cars all get penalised due to the rear diffuser fiasco,what was looking like being an interesting season will quickly turn to a farce.Nevermind,the MotoGP season starts soon.
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Tappet
"wheres the Any Key?"
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on 02/04/2009 at 10:34:45PM
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im a big fan of F1 but i've had enough of race day results counting for nothing, this "rewriting the results" when a rule is broken is a complete joke. Why does F1 sit down after a race to decide & enforce what should of happen.
Any penalties place upon a driver or team should count towards the next race, saying you broke the rules therefore this shouldn't of happen so were rewriting history is pointless, a waste of time, a complete farce.
So Bernie, get your flux capacitor fixed and get back to the future cos im soon gonna start spending my sundays watching National Hot Rods instead of wasting my time following your on going circus parade.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 03/04/2009 at 8:22:07AM
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The saga continues. Now McLaren are suggesting there was no lie, just not enough information.
The story is here.
Basically, they're saying that after last year's problems they didn't know what to do, it seems they get penalised if they let someone pass or not at the end of the day. The stewards didn't come back to them in a hurry and only decide to take up the case after the race, while McLaren tried to get an answer on the track.
The conversation in full seems to be something different to the available soundbite, not sure if that makes it any different though.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 03/04/2009 at 1:40:31PM
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Yeah, McLaren are making waves saying it's their fault and have already sacked someone. Could be all true or it could be someone taking a bullet for Hamilton so he doesn't get any more punishment from the FIA, like exclusion.
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Shadowdream
"Mooching around"
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on 03/04/2009 at 1:42:33PM
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Makes sense to take the bullet I guess, do you reckon they'll get away with it?
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 03/04/2009 at 3:08:15PM
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Yeah, I would think so. At worst he'll get a slap on the wrist but I would think disqualification was enough.
Practice was interesting. Raikkonen at the end of the first session with smoke bellowing in his face was a sight. Sounds like it was KERS related which was a concern.
A bit of rain in the air in the 2nd session, causing a few to slide off the track but Ferrari looking good. KERS should be good around Malaysia although not so in the rain.
Looks pretty open after it all with not much between the teams.
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"Mooching around"
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on 05/04/2009 at 6:14:42PM
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Well that was shame, but whoever thought to start the race that late needs to be slapped for stupidity.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 05/04/2009 at 7:11:00PM
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Yep, if they had started it an hour earlier, they would have got the race done.
Decent enough race before then though. Just a shame it rains so hard there at that time of day. Could have really shaken things up.
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YH
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on 05/04/2009 at 8:58:40PM
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A good race until the rain got too hard.
Surely it's not long before both Toyotat & Williams get a good result. They both need one - Toyota have said that they can't justify the expenditure unless they're getting results. Williams need to do well to attract a title sponsor to replace RBS at the end of the season.
Could we lose more teams at the end of this year? Renault aren't exactly setting the world alight, I can see them pulling out if podiums don't come soon.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 05/04/2009 at 11:52:19PM
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You would think Toyota would be the prime candidates to quit as they keep banging on about it. Williams are a dedicated race team so they should be able to keep things going, even if they have to reduce their budget again.
Renault are difficult to read. They've never really been big budget and with the budget cuts across Formula 1, they will probably stick around.
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Erowid
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on 06/04/2009 at 12:00:57AM
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Is it swearing in here to say F1, as much as I'm (uncharacteristicly so) getting into the early throes of this season, is far too strategic, and not enough about the racing.
Give em one tank of fuel, one set of tires, and see who's the best driver ... seems to make sense to me ...
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 06/04/2009 at 1:08:40AM
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Well, there's talk of a refuelling ban but the one set of tyres thing doesn't really work as they tried it a few seasons ago.
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pb
"Shoryuken!"
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on 06/04/2009 at 9:34:07AM
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It's always been a team and driver sport, not just the driver alone. It works better that way in my opinion, without it the race would just be another Indy car or any other generic race.
I thought Sunday's race was pretty good up until the rain and this season DOES look like there is more emphasis on the drivers anyway since all the changes have levelled out the cars more.
Don't forget that it's traditionally the first few races where we see different teams get ahead, but once the European races start the big teams usually get up to speed with their cars and I think we'll see more of that here.
It's a shame the whole McLaren thing is still going on, Hamilton really shouldn't have lied, but we don't really know what pressure he was put under to do it. I guess (as usual) we'll never know the full story and fanboys will end up arguing about it all without the facts just like last year.
What it does do, though, is play into Button's hands by giving him some more of the limelight, not just through his racing, but through those fans who weren't convinced by Hamilton (more off the track than his actual racing).
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 15/04/2009 at 2:19:47PM
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Diffusers legal. Watch for the other teams to copy that soon. Just got the McLaren thing on the 29th to look forward to. :S
Anyway, Ferrari have a new aero package. They'll be hoping to score some points.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 16/04/2009 at 8:47:32PM
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I hope Ferrari can get back up to speed, I need a good race with someone challenging Brawn.
Really good to see Brawn GP come out tops on the findings too, good ol' Button must really be glad he stuck it out at Honda.
Not so sure if Hamilton will be as lucky, he shoud really learn a few lessons from the current predicament anyway.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 19/04/2009 at 6:26:48PM
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Well, Red Bull have found something for China at least because they look pretty quick and the car look planted in the wet. The Brawn GP car could match them for pace but were far more inconsistent.
Ferrari look hopeless at the moment, especially after Massa's good wet weather driving was wasted after a curious failure.
It won't be until Spain where we see major changes as Bahrain is next weekend.
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"Shoryuken!"
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on 20/04/2009 at 9:29:20PM
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Get these first few races out the way and head to Europe, that's when things tend to change, not least because of the changes being made to the cars.
What's the betting that more of the cars suddenly change the shape of their defusers too...? :D
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 28/04/2009 at 4:24:00PM
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After a fairly uneventful race in Bahrain, which was more intriguing rather than exciting, it's time for the McLaren lying case to be heard. The verdict is expected on the 30th but what do you think will happen?
There is the possibility of being kicked out of the Championship and even a race suspension. There could also be a fine and a suspended sentence.
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pete_21
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on 28/04/2009 at 9:36:30PM
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Seriously doubt the FIA will throw Mclaren out of F1.A fine and suspended ban is the most likely outcome I reckon.Another great result for Button,he's got to start thinking that the championship is a real possibility now.Sundays Bahrain F1 race wasn't amazing but the Moto GP race from Japan more than made up for it.
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pb
"Shoryuken!"
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on 29/04/2009 at 11:00:44AM
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Really enjoyed the race and will be interesting to see if McLaren's work this last week will be undone by the results of the hearing.
They've pretty much said they're not going to punish Hamilton directly, so it does sound like a fine would be more suitable to their plans.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 29/04/2009 at 2:50:42PM
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A quick hearing and a quick resolution.
McLaren handed a suspended 3 race ban which will be over their heads for the next 12 months.
I would say McLaren have done quite well there as I can see no mention of a fine at all in the articles I've read.
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"Too Orangy For Crow"
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on 15/05/2009 at 6:14:27PM
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Well, an average race in Spain but the more interesting stuff has been off the track once again. Ferrari are very opposed to a budget cap and has filed against the FIA to a French court to stop them enforcing it.
At least they all agree that a two-tier championship is not a good idea.
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Tappet
"wheres the Any Key?"
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on 16/05/2009 at 8:05:02PM
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ello all,
Do any of you F1 fans have teams in any fantasy F1 leagues, if so which ones?
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Tappet
"wheres the Any Key?"
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on 16/05/2009 at 8:36:45PM
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Budget cap!
As Grandprix states below the big story in F1 is once again, off the track! Ive read that there are now 5 teams apposing the budget cap, but the issue doesn't seem to be the budget cap, which is already closer to £100 million than £40 million due to concessions regarding engine costs, but the policing of it.
Team negotiaters met with max mosley at heathrow on friday but the FIA was not prepared to compromise and the ferrari team negotiater never turned up.
So the future of F1 still hangs in the balance with all us fans hoping the talking points will soon return to the track.
One positive point with this budget cap is that Lola will be joining the F1 circus next season, Lola's HQ is only 20 miles from where i live and with 2 family members being Lola Racing employees i may even get a few tickets to hang around my neck on race days.
My fear with the budget cap is that F1 will become as dull as A1.
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YH
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on 17/05/2009 at 11:31:42AM
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Luica de Montezemolo didn't go for Ferrari as his father has passed away. Stefano Domenicali went in his stead.
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"wheres the Any Key?"
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on 17/05/2009 at 12:40:17PM
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Although im sorry to read it, thx 4 the update YH.
I see your off to silverstone this year, it truely is an amazing experience. Are you going for all 3 days or just race day?
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YH
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on 17/05/2009 at 10:23:35PM
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No worries. I only read it on the BBC this morning, so thought I'd pass the info on. It's a fairly genuine reason so don't think he was missing it on purpose! It sounds as though the two-tier technical regulations have been scrapped. A budge cap has been agreed in principle, but the amount hasn't been decided yet, from what I read.
As for Silverstone, we're going for all three days. Got general admission tickets and are camping in a place next to the track. It'll be my first time.
I've been looking into it and am not too chuffed with the time we'll have to get up on sunday morning to get a good spot!
When did you go? Any tips or anything for me? :-)
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