Dragonlance wrote:
and didn't they have a good Christmas

It's getting worse, you've turned into Bruce Forsyth now!

I'm not a parent, although I am an uncle (and a superdooper one), I do wonder a lot about Christmas presents and what not. My nephews are amazingly spoilt and it's a little sad because it's very hard to teach them the value of anything when, well, everything's just thrown at them. Not my responsibility, I know, but when I'm looking after them, and they ask questions, I'll give them my opinion.

In my perfect imaginary world of if I do ever have children, I'd like to really try my best to kinda teach them about what's important and what really isn't. I guess that's what you kinda do as a Dad really, but uh.. not force it down their throat and expect them to OBEY but just.. encourage them to try and take an interest.. I hope! This is obviously the simplest thing in the world but.. I guess what the best thing to do is really, is just work out as much about the world as you can, think about it, think about everything and try and work all this stuff out yourself.. then just become confident in your values, live by them, and all you really need to do then is just.. be with the kids, and they'll pick it up as you go along, maybe!

Haha I dunno, I'm not sure if I'll ever have them, but if I did I'd really like to be a good father.

Heh.

Back to the original topic {ahem}, I've just put some more toys for my kids up in the loft from the garage.  Sorting out what we have and what we still need for them.

Me, I'm just hoping to get enough money to pay for the bills in January!

Congratulations to her :) hope she had a wonderful day.

Dragonlance wrote:
> Think you're digging a deeper hole:)


Shouldn't that be:
I think...    :¬P


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Dragonlance wrote:
> First and foremost you are nitpicking now. The quote was meant
> to highlight the fact that your comment was incorrect as OF
> should have been A, as in "There was A falling out..."
> So we are all guilty of writing what we think we are writing and
> not re-reading the post.

Isn’t that an isolated error though, which isn’t the case with what we’re talking about.  Also do you consider it grown up to re-accuse someone of an insinuation you originally made?  I only ask this as below you refer to age, which I’m hoping is a flippant remark, inspired by Enfield and Whitehouse being back on the box but I very much doubt it.  If you want to go down this route then fine, but people actually grow down as they become older, becoming less trustful and more judgemental etc.

> Secondly, I do object to your direct suggestion that I'm here to
> form 'personal attachments'. I'm very sorry young man, but I will
> always stand up for those that seem to need support and
> 'friendship' in any situation. This is a 'friendly forum' and a
> lot of its members do actually know each other personally - this
> is obvious throughout each thread. It may be infectious, but it
> is what helps to make this forum a welcoming place to be, to
> converse, to discuss and to be a member of.

Why do you object if it’s the case, that those who engage in pleasantries, whilst choosing to share personal details about themselves (which I find slightly dubious in this information age) have a better time on forums.  Personally I just see the internet as a vast encyclopaedia, which is being polluted by users continually sharing hearsay and guesswork in the margins.  An impartial forum is a valuable place, being able to draw on the experience of others, although that does seem to be as rare here as any other place.

Dragonlance wrote:
> Totally agree, so if we are nitpicking - is this response of
> yours coherent?
> "There was of falling out of sorts with someone and
> Freeola...":)

Firstly I wasn’t aware I was nitpicking, as it was a repeated, fundamental error that in a different situation would make someone look like a real idiot.  Secondly your example is a statement where I didn’t know all of the facts, as it was only mentioned by someone else, so sorry I’m not here a lot more forming personal attachments (as you seem to).

Grix Thraves wrote:
> 2002- just a number? wrote:
> "You obviously have no understanding of how dangerous this
> attitude is"
>
> I do like discussion, what do you mean by this?

It’s just a personal thing, having always been told not to speak up, when it normally is helpful and if you look back throughout history there has always been someone saying the unpopular stuff (which then turns out to be correct).

> And as for coherency, I think it was understood. After all, you
> went to the trouble of finding the same mistake twice, and if
> well, we could take that as proof that Vee spells that word that
> way, then she's using a logical system to spell that word, albeit
> incorrectly, so it should be quite understandable to read in her
> context.

It wasn’t any trouble, just a glaring mistake that jumped out at me.  I know when writing your CV you’re meant to be consistent (coherency again), but this wasn’t open to interpretation, as it’s the sort of thing that's normally sorted out in primary school.

> I have a distaste for absolutes. It's not a lack of confidence
> in my opinion, I just ..wait I've written about this before I
> won't repeat myself!

Well there are no absolutes.  A guy in one of my maths lectures got a talking to by the lecturer for suggesting something to the contrary (which was fairly enjoyable as it was one of the few concepts I understood).  Anyway the only alternative would be to never post constructive comments, which would result in a drop of activity, which may well answer the thread I was quoted from.

2002- just a number? wrote:
"You obviously have no understanding of how dangerous this attitude is"

I do like discussion, what do you mean by this?

And as for coherency, I think it was understood. After all, you went to the trouble of finding the same mistake twice, and if well, we could take that as proof that Vee spells that word that way, then she's using a logical system to spell that word, albeit incorrectly, so it should be quite understandable to read in her context.

The only thing I'm particular about is giving information to people to learn from, such as symptoms/signs of illness, or descriptions of events, history, or how something works. When it's important for someone to understand, I want to be absolutely clear and modest in approach to the actual happenings, instead of exaggeration (which is a natural habit of mine which I dislike) or 'this is the TRUTH' which I also hate and am trying to get out of. No real knowledge, just modest guesswork on all the stuff that could change at any time or just be messed up in memory. I hope.

I have a distaste for absolutes. It's not a lack of confidence in my opinion, I just ..wait I've written about this before I won't repeat myself!

2002- just a number? wrote:
> Also using incorrect English isn’t something I personally find
> annoying; I'm actually more concerned with responses being
> coherent.

Totally agree, so if we are nitpicking - is this response of yours coherent?

"There was of falling out of sorts with someone and Freeola...":)

2002- just a number? wrote:
> Dragonlance wrote:
> Leave it out 2002etc, we all know what Vee wrote and
> meant...:-)
>
> You obviously have no understanding of how dangerous this
> attitude is, which is why I find it so disappointing, and it's
> probably the reason why I keep leaving this place as I’m about to
> now (probably not to return).

I'm afraid you are being quite judgemental and assuming with comments like that. I'm fully aware of the necessity to write using all the accepted 'correctness' of the English language, but sadly this doen't seem to be the norm these days among many young and old people. However in this case, it cannot be applied - replies are spontaneous and not regularly checked for correct spelling and word usuage - but we all understand and that's how it should be here within the forum. As for your decision to 'vacate' the forum, then that is your choice. I still support Vee:)

PS Soz pb, had to reply:)

pb wrote:
> One mistake and all hell breaks loose.  What a harsh bunch!

Actually deux erreurs but...

Vee wrote:
> Yeah well i make an effort with my spelling when it's needed.
> This is a chat forum, not an exam.

I just though I’d raise the issue as even online some people can be fairly judgemental also…

Dragonlance wrote:
> Leave it out 2002etc, we all know what Vee wrote and meant...:-)

You obviously have no understanding of how dangerous this attitude is, which is why I find it so disappointing, and it's probably the reason why I keep leaving this place as I’m about to now (probably not to return).

2002- just a number? wrote:

> Just thought I'd make sure as it didn't look like an isolated
> typo.

Yeah well i make an effort with my spelling when it's needed. This is a chat forum, not an exam.

2002- just a number? wrote:
> Vee wrote:
> Not really looking forward to xmas. Really not that long left
> either. I am hoping to move house before. If not then very soon
> after xmas. I'm looking forward to getting out this house and i
> feel thats more important then xmas right now.
>
> You do realise it's than, right?
>
> Vee wrote:
> Why, is what i thought when i see the pic. I'm guessing she
> felt
> she had to show more, she obviously wanted more attention
> then
> she thought she would get!
>
> Just thought I'd make sure as it didn't look like an isolated
> typo.

Leave it out 2002etc, we all know what Vee wrote and meant...:-)

spoonbeast wrote:
>
> Lets analyze what makes christmas awesome and why it isn't so
> awesome for me:
>
> Doctor Who Special.
> hate doctor who thus have no interest in it. Another blank spot
> in my tv viewing.

I'd agree with this one, don't really do TV throughout the year anyway and the Christmas season just seems to be "oh so and so's on, can you record it". Right ok, but when will you watch 560 hours of recording!:-D
 
> Time off work.
> Agreed. I want more. I wish i never had to work ever in my life
> and my desires were fulfilled.

Christmas closure takes up part of our annual holiday allowance, and it grieves us to 'have' to give up 'x' days because the Board has decided to close for 'x' days. We would rather work and have the days when we want them!

> Putting up the Christmas Tree.
> Don't do it anymore. Yes its immensely sad, but frankly once you
> get to my ripe old age of 22 the magic of christmas is dead years
> ago. Besides, its not the christmas tree that counts.

Maybe it is your age, but my kids are 24 and 22, and will always ask when we are putting up the tree - it's part of the celebrations and for me it's a brilliant display in an otherwise dull area of our lounge - I'm sorry to take the decorations down!

> Children's presents.
> don't have children.

Enough said, but we have and we still go through the entire day with 'present opening' - stretch it out throughout the day - it's brilliant.

pb wrote:
> Christmas is brilliant.
>
> Doctor Who Special.
> Money.
> Time off work.
> Putting up the Christmas Tree.
> Children's presents.
>
> Guess it helps having kids though.

Lets analyze what makes christmas awesome and why it isn't so awesome for me:

> Doctor Who Special.
hate doctor who thus have no interest in it. Another blank spot in my tv viewing.

> Money.
Great when you recieve it. Not so good when people demand it. Having a job obviously doesn't make this such a big deal for me. Nice to have the extra 100 or so though.

> Time off work.
Agreed. I want more. I wish i never had to work ever in my life and my desires were fulfilled.


Putting up the Christmas Tree.
Don't do it anymore. Yes its immensely sad, but frankly once you get to my ripe old age of 22 the magic of christmas is dead years ago. Besides, its not the christmas tree that counts.


Children's presents.
don't have children.


So many of the reasons you out line thus kill off any arguement for an awesome christmas. I distincitvely remember back in 2006 i spent several hours on christmas day doig my dissertation because it was that boring.

Christmas is brilliant.

Doctor Who Special.
Money.
Time off work.
Putting up the Christmas Tree.
Children's presents.

Guess it helps having kids though.

I get from Xmas eve off until 5th January so plenty of drinking time.

Xmas stuff has been in the shops for about 3 weeks now ever since the back to school stuff was taken off the shelves but I think I'll think about gifts in about just under 3 months time.....

The Christmas build-up used to start after Guy Fawkes, then Halloween (all hallows eve), yet now it seems to be whenever the retail sector ruddy well needs it.

Are we doing another secret santa this year? £5 or under should be enough. And no it can't be a voucher/gift card. :P

The Reaper wrote:
> spoonbeast wrote:
> bah, with the state of the economy chances are we'll have a
> terrible christmas.
>
> Don't worry, most people are ignorant :)

People aren't ignorant - they like a good excuse for a 'blow out' and boy is Christmas a good excuse. No matter what the current economic climate is, each and every one of us will find that little bit extra at Christmas and have a rip-roaring time. Never fails:)

PS Merry Christmas, Reaper:D