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"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 20/10/2007 at 12:07:40PM
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Looking for any ideas to successfully play MOH Airborne without numerous crashes. Have re-installed and updated to version 1.1 of the game, forceware drivers updated etc etc. Campaign one completed successfully, however now crashes in game on campaign two. Frozen screen, unfreezes, blocky graphics, doesn't respond to key presses, screen alternates between black and full display, crashes to desktop and continues to alternate between black screen and desktop display, then monitor switches off!! Is this the usual offering from EA? Bioshock runs perfectly on same machine.
Spec: Pentium 4 3GHz HT, 1Gb RAM, GeForce 7600GT 256mb, 160Gb Hard Drive
Any solutions would be welcome
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AliBoy
"Picking a winner!"
Regular on 20/10/2007 at 6:21:56PM
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What kind of graphics card you got?
I'd try get hold on an e-mail address of forum for EA customer support and let them know the problem for a possible solution.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 20/10/2007 at 6:54:59PM
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Thanks mate, Nvidia Geforce 7600GT card as stated...EA Support Forums are as flawed as the games they develop/produce, not changed since Eidos days in the middle 90's. Can't work out why I played 1st campaign OK then next day...bombed..and no change to PC config
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AliBoy
"Picking a winner!"
Regular on 20/10/2007 at 7:45:28PM
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Sorry missed that the first read through.
Got the latest drivers for the card?
Tried playing the first campaign again to see if thats working?
Sounds like quite an odd problem.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 20/10/2007 at 8:14:06PM
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Latest Nvidia drivers 163.71 installed. I have read that MoH will only accept 162.18 drivers which are two months old and are really not acceptable for such a new game. Tried EA Forums as you suggested and ran their 'System Test'. All passed with flying colours except video drivers section suggested 'keep drivers updated'!!! Impossible, the newest drivers are installed-gives you every faith in EA don't it!! Maybe Forceware drivers 162.18 are what is required to run this game, but I don't think it is necessary to re-install drivers to play each game you have...do you? Thanks again, I shall continue to ponder the problem ...COD2 is better anyway
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AliBoy
"Picking a winner!"
Regular on 20/10/2007 at 9:37:07PM
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Yeah you would think it would support the latest drivers. You checked for any possible patches on the site?
Silly old EA - I'd take/send it back to where you got it explaining the problem of it not working to get your money back - not really a great game compared to some others.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 21/10/2007 at 6:45:37PM
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Patched to version 1.1 - the only one available at present. Aegia Phyx engine will upgrade, but game doesn't want to know. Sod's Law - EA again. Won't run without Aegia, but won't run with upgrade. Can't wait for CoD4 - better coding by far...
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 21/10/2007 at 8:23:41PM
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From what you describe it sounds like quote a low level crash if the signal to the monitor is eventually cutting out. It could be for whatever reason the graphics drivers are crashing. What I'd be tempted to do is try something like drivercleaner and then do a fresh reinstall of the drivers.
A brief look around suggests turning off post processing in the config as well, guess you've tried this?
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 22/10/2007 at 7:37:12PM
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Thanks for the suggestion - it maybe just that. However, again quoting Sod's Law, tried game again yesterday. Ran Bioshock first, no problems-except I can't quite manage to stay alive to finish off Fontaine. Then ran MOH and it ran no problem through an entire level. Now, what can you deduce from that!! Will try your idea though, can see where you're coming from. Ta
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 23/10/2007 at 10:43:51PM
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Just an update to this MOH problem. Thought I'd try Garin's suggestion about post processing - set at simple so changed to off. Ran MOH last night. Loaded EA screen, bombed at menu screen, bombed machine - then began a most bizarre evening. Switched off machine, turned on and coloured code streaming down the screen - 10 month old graphics card fried!!! Re-installed spare card - no internet, no nothing!!! Finally sorted and all OK by midnight, MOH definately uninstalled.
Question - can a game fry a graphics card?
Because that is what it appears. Bioshock ran like a dream, and yes you could say the card may have been failing - but it's bizarre. Had cards fail before, but not like this.
All sorted now, installed new BFG Geforce 7900GS OC tonight. I'm not going to tempt fate and re-install MOH Airborne for love nor money.
Thanks to all
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Chaos
"Mooching around"
Regular on 23/10/2007 at 10:55:47PM
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Heh, not a great buy all in all then!
Never mind, like you've said in a previous post, just wait for CoD 4. If the trailers are to be believed, it looks set to be a must buy.
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 23/10/2007 at 11:34:40PM
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Dragonlance wrote:
> Question - can a game fry a graphics card?
> Because that is what it appears. Bioshock ran like a dream, and
> yes you could say the card may have been failing - but it's
> bizarre. Had cards fail before, but not like this.
Its not impossible, but its not likely either. A game has fairly limited access to a graphics card really. Exposure is limited to what the graphics drivers and (in windows) what directx allows. So there arent too many opportunities to do major damage that wont be caught by either of them. I know both Bioshock and Airborne use the unreal 3 engine but I imagine Airborne was just stressing the card in a way that Bioshock doesnt.
I can relate a similar tale in fact. My gfx card is on the way out too. Even though my PSU is fine the card seems incapable of drawing enough power from it. When I benchmark the card, it posts results something like a third of what it should do. Yet I can still run Bioshock at details levels and framerates that are normal for my card. Unreal tournment 3 (same game engine again)doesnt run at all either. And I've no doubt some day soon I'll try a game that'll make the card keel over permanently.
> All sorted now, installed new BFG Geforce 7900GS OC tonight. I'm
> not going to tempt fate and re-install MOH Airborne for love nor
> money.
Hey, at least your card is still under warranty. Nows the time to try it. :)
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 23/10/2007 at 11:36:06PM
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Chaos wrote:
> Never mind, like you've said in a previous post, just wait for
> CoD 4. If the trailers are to be believed, it looks set to be a
> must buy.
The demo is really nice, quite immersive. Not sure if its not over scripted though.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 24/10/2007 at 6:27:54PM
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Thanks Garin for your wise words - much appreciated. One reason that I was able to replace the card so quickly was because I went out and bought it - as a result of trying the warranty!!!
Spent 3/4hr on the phone to MicroDirect, who supplied the INNO3D card. Finally was asked for card's serial number. Not bad, but card at home me at work!! Never mind, Returns Dept would send email requesting number - not yet they haven't. On receipt of Returns number, I can, at my own cost, return it to them and they will send it to INNO3D in Taiwan for repair or replacement - about 4 weeks!!!
You can now perhaps see why I bought a new one. This warranty doesn't seem to be worth the paper it's written on!!!
Any way, happy now - got my right arm back...ha ha
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 25/10/2007 at 7:12:09PM
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Curiosity possibly killed the cat, but I reakon it gets us gamers into loads of trouble aswell! So against my better judgement, I'm going to try MoH again. That's the spirit I hear you cry, so...in anticipation... any reliable game settings would be appreciated.
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gunnerkid4
"eeast weeeeeeeeeezy"
Regular on 02/11/2007 at 9:31:05AM
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> The demo is really nice, quite immersive. Not sure if its not
> over scripted though.
I downloaded the demo from xbox live it was rubbish!!!!!!!!!
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 11/11/2007 at 3:03:32PM
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Just started HL2 Ep2 - runs like a dream. Made me wonder, HL2 uses Havok physix - no problems, no extras etc. MoH Airborne uses an add on - Aegia Physixs - why? Installing MoHA, installs Aegia. No card, so no use! Software use only and then it won't accept and run updated Aegia software. Is this necessary or will MoH run without Aegia software?
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 11/11/2007 at 4:09:14PM
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MOH is still using the PhysX library though even without the card. PhysX and Havok are just 2 different solutions to the same problem. The difference is that Aegia offers hardware acceleration of its library as well.
PhysX is quite popular to use because theres no licensing fee attached to using it unless you want the source code (they're trying to encourage adoption of their hardware of course).
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 11/11/2007 at 6:40:19PM
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Thanks Garin, just updated 'mi ode memory banks'. So MoH does require PhysX to run. Makes you wonder why so many new releases require so many different 'bits and bobs' to run and then require patching - is this rushed development, Vista or Directx 10 or both?
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 12/11/2007 at 2:43:32AM
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As far as PC games go its the price you pay for ever increasing complexity really. Its virtually impossible to test a PC game anymore to the point that you can say with certainty that it'll work on every hardware/software configuration and/or that every gameplay combination has been explored.
However I think its fair comment that the ability to patch games encourages some publishers to push games out the door a bit quicker than they should be.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 17/11/2007 at 7:15:01PM
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While I totally agree with Garin's comments, Crysis has just hit the forums and intensive help guides abound with solutions - problems galore.
Tweakguides.com have provided reliable and almost instant solutions to all new game problems and can be a recommended source of information. Installing new drivers for every new game isn't acceptable....
However, information now indicates that PSU power and capabilities are important factors in running new games, especially Crysis.
Having recently read the 'package' specs for Crysis,
this factor is not mentioned. Indeed, Crysis spec requirements are quite acceptable for XP machines with no mention of any PSU minimums.
Having suffered a gfx card fry with MoHA, isn't it about time this factor was introduced to game packaging? Just a thought..
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 17/11/2007 at 8:29:13PM
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Its the components in your machine that have PSU requirements not the games. If you have a 8800GTX for instance and you try to run Crysis with it. Its somewhat implicit that your PSU is capable of powering it. I dont think its the job of the game publishers to make sure your machine is capable of powering all the components in it.
Even if you did want to say its the responsibility of game developers to state PSU needs, how would you do it? Every computer has different power needs. I've got 4 hard drives in my machine at the moment, any minimum PSU requirements would be meaningless because you cant factor in my HDD power requirements.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 18/11/2007 at 9:59:54AM
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I agree totally, but as machine components will only take what power they need, then a minimum recommended PSU power requirement would be acceptable regardless of what you ran off it. Surely more demand on a component would increase its demand of the available power - or not?
If minimum and recommended specs are given, following testing on machines, then surely the PSU size could also be included as is CPU capacity.
Not connected to above, but Nvidia 8000 series require 450PSU minimum and in sli mode even bigger.
Am I missing the point or what?
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Bob_The_Moose
"Tornado Of Souls"
Regular on 18/11/2007 at 2:03:06PM
Edited: 18/11/07 14:06 Total Posts: 1325
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Umm, the minimum specs are given on the assumption that if you meet them, you also have a powerful enough PSU to support those components running at their potential.
Like Garin said, you can't just give a blanket estimate of how much power it'll require because it'll vary somewhat between basically equivalent (in terms of performance) components, there's too many combinations of hardware and it's further dependant upon things completely unrelated to the hardware the game's most interested by. Kind of rough but you get the point.
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 18/11/2007 at 2:05:58PM
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The point is best illustrated by an example I think. Imagine 2 systems. AMD processor, 1 gig of ram and a 7600GS. I only need a 350W PSU for that. Even with every component running at maximum power still I would come way under 350W. System number 2 has an Intel processor, 1 gig of ram, and a 7600GS. Ah but intel processors use less power under full load so this time I only need a 300W PSU. So what are you going to be put as a minimum on the game box? If I put 300W as a minimum, its not true for the AMD owner. If I put 350W, I've ruled out a machine that is capable of playing the game at exactly the same settings as the other one.
Every combination of components is going to have different power requirements. Theres no way to pick a value that isnt going to be misleading or confusing to some combination of components.
The fact is games themselves dont have power requirements anyway. They arent using power on their own, they are using the components of your machine. It surely has to be implicit in the ownership of an AMD processor or a 8800GTX or 2 hard drives or extra fans etc.. that you have a PSU capable of powering them. If its not, what else are you going to want to put on the game box? Must have access to electricity supply? :)
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 18/11/2007 at 3:38:27PM
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Thanks to both of you, fully understood and won't ask daft questions again - you've both been extremely understanding of my ignorance and most descriptive and explanatory of the requirements and restrictions within machines - many thanks. PS MoHA last two missions are awesome.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 19/11/2007 at 8:47:31PM
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OK had a re-think and perhaps you two can explain the following:
Machine specs now:
Pentium 4 3.0GHz 1Gb RAM BFG GeForce 7900GS OC 160GB HD 450w PSU
Question: GFX card fried before with same specs above except I've now added the PSU - original 305w. So changed card, and yes, no news about warranty from Inno or MicroDirect, and changed PSU. Machine has never been cooler!! Fans give feet chilblains! Before PSU change, gfx card running at 850, now running at 610 after game play. Was the original spec under-powered? GFX card probably was but why the dramatic difference in all areas, not just gaming?
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 23/12/2007 at 8:23:05PM
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To you all
MERRY CHRISTMAS and A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR
Enjoy
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Garin
"Devil in disguise"
Regular on 23/12/2007 at 9:23:30PM
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Dragonlance wrote:
> Question: GFX card fried before with same specs above except
> I've now added the PSU - original 305w. So changed card, and
> yes, no news about warranty from Inno or MicroDirect, and
> changed PSU. Machine has never been cooler!! Fans give feet
> chilblains! Before PSU change, gfx card running at 850,
> now running at 610 after game play. Was the original spec
> under-powered? GFX card probably was but why the dramatic
> difference in all areas, not just gaming?
Missed this question.
In general with PSUs, quality of components, ampage and efficiency are as important as the wattage. In theory 305w should have been enough to power your GFX card. But if its a poor quality PSU then it probably wont delivery anything like that consistently anyway. Its entirely possible your old PSU was contributing to the heat itself by not being very efficient at dissipating heat.
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Dragonlance
"Bordo della verita"
Regular on 24/12/2007 at 12:38:00PM
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Thanks Garin, you've probably hit the nail on the head, so to speak - the old PSU was probably to blame all along - this new one is stormin! Definately arctic weather around the old legs. Merry Christmas.
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