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on 22/05/2005 at 12:55:47PM
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Started replaying Wind Waker again recently (last time I played was exactly two years to the day. Fate? :'-O)
Just reminded me how fantastic it is. This happened to me with Mario Sunshine; at the time I didn't really appreciate how excellent it was, then I restarted it and it was just so much better than I remembered. After such a slow and monotonous end to Wind Waker (even though collecting Triforce pieces was such a *yawn* challenge), I kinda made my mind up that it was good, but not that good.
Playing it though... bar one or two games (Metroid Prime, Resident Evil), nothing has come close to it since. Okay, the sailing was annoying, and Tingle was a bit of a money-grabbing ass, but the sense or scale was immense; seeing different islands from miles off and slowly turning into huge worlds. It just feels so much bigger than any other Zelda I've played before. And if feels as if things really progress, some days rain will hail down on your boat, lightning will strike, on when it sunny seagulls will follow you as you try to knock them out of sky by hitting them with your sail.
Then there's fact just how much you can do. You'll be needing to rush to a certain area and get sidetracked for half an hour on so on some small island. I spend around half on hour on the letter sorting game alone.
I think in five years time, once people have stopped being red-faced about some branch snapping in an unconvincing manner, they'll see the direction change as a great one.
Although still no Majora's Mask.
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Tiltawhirl
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on 22/05/2005 at 1:15:19PM
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I thought it was excellent.
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Rickoss
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on 22/05/2005 at 1:17:28PM
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I did when I was playing it, just after years of people moaning about it you start to think maybe it was a bit crap after all.
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Tiltawhirl
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on 22/05/2005 at 1:24:19PM
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Yeah, I know what you mean.
Only problem I really had with it was that is was too easy. I never really found the sailing to be a massive chore like most people. It was a pain at times but once you get the song that teleports you around the map, it really was no bother getting around.
It almost gave the game an epic feel when you set off in your boat to find new islands and stuff.
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Xzibit
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on 22/05/2005 at 1:39:39PM
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I thought it was a brilliant game and probably the best Zelda. What i hate is Nintendo fan-boys who don't accept critism for the game. Yes it was good and all that, BUT:
Too short
Too easy
Too many puzzles
Just like other Zeldas.
No new storyline, just rescue the Princess...again *groans*
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Tphi
"thursdayton!"
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on 22/05/2005 at 2:03:09PM
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Xzibit wrote:
> Too short
> Too easy
> Too many puzzles
> Just like other Zeldas.
> No new storyline, just rescue the Princess...again *groans*
If you got everything it'd take you days and days of game-play.
Too many puzzles? Eh? That's what Zelda is all about.
And if you're playing it for the storyline alone, then you're playing the wrong title. But I assume you missed out the whole bit with rescuing his sister?
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Dringo
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on 22/05/2005 at 2:29:51PM
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As a Zelda storyline it was rather different, I mean yeah Save Zelda and get the tri-force... but they way it was executed was cunning.
Too many puzzles? Um?
It was too easy, I give it that. But at least it wasn't too hard. I hate games that are just too hard.
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Lipe
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on 22/05/2005 at 2:33:40PM
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I thought the game was great...I did get a little bored sailing around, but just a little :P But it really was too easy and that's the only flaw I'd give it. I think I only properly died once.
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Tphi
"thursdayton!"
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on 22/05/2005 at 2:42:55PM
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There are too few games these days where you can sail around, play with the camera, jump your boat up and down, watch the various weather effects and the sun rise/fall and really feel free.
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Chipseh
"Jog on, sunshine"
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on 22/05/2005 at 2:54:06PM
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Tphi wrote:
> There are too few games these days where you can sail around, play
> with the camera, jump your boat up and down, watch the various
> weather effects and the sun rise/fall and really feel free.
Agreed.
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Herr Dark Wolf
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on 22/05/2005 at 2:59:08PM
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It really is a fantastic game. One of the best games on the Cube.
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Alfonse
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:00:22PM
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Played it. It was so similar to the other zelda games I sold it in order to get Time Splitters Future Perfect.
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Chipseh
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:03:04PM
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Alfonse wrote:
> Played it. It was so similar to the other zelda games I sold it in
> order to get Time Splitters Future Perfect.
...
What. The. Hell?
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FinalFantasyFa...
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:03:36PM
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I must admit, I usually place WW as a general let-down.
But then I think about it ... especially seeing Outset for the first time, across the massive beach from the watchtower ... how much there was to do n Windfall ... and the black and white bit especially ... it's all good. More than good.
But still ... you measure its problems only in comparison to what OoT, MM had that it did not. If it was the only Zelda game, people would have no problems at all with it.
But, the fact is that is isn't the only Zelda game.
And I missed what wasn't there ... namely another couple of dungeons and at least one more inhabited island.
I'm sure I'll play it again one day and change my mind.
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Dringo
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:27:58PM
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Alfonse wrote:
> Played it. It was so similar to the other zelda games I sold it in
> order to get Time Splitters Future Perfect.
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Right...
You sold a Zelda game which was rather different in many respects for a game that was pretty much identical to Timesplitters 2.
As you do.
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Rickoss
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:28:01PM
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I'm pretty sure there were far more dungeons planned, but due to tiem contraints they had to cut back. Most notably the third pearl.
And I miss the gorons. We only got one in the whole game. :(
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Dringo
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:28:35PM
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Rickoss wrote:
> I'm pretty sure there were far more dungeons planned, but due to tiem
> contraints they had to cut back. Most notably the third pearl.
>
> And I miss the gorons. We only got one in the whole game. :(
That's assuming all the tradesmen were the same guy.
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Tiltawhirl
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:29:29PM
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It was missing a certain something towards the end. But there were so many amazing moments, I can't really criticise it too much.
The first time you step out into the insides of the volcano, using the deku leaf to fly over to the forest temple, you first visit to Windfall Island, star gazing with that kid in Windfall etc etc
Still one of the best games I've ever played, just not as good as Ocarina.
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JFH
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:33:37PM
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Tiltawhirl wrote:
> It was missing a certain something towards the end.
Worst ending video ever seen in any game ever.
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Dringo
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:42:55PM
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Lol no it wasn't THAT bad... I've seen far far far worse.
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Alfonse
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:44:16PM
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Dringo wrote:
> Alfonse wrote:
> Played it. It was so similar to the other zelda games I sold it in
> order to get Time Splitters Future Perfect.
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> ...
>
> Right...
>
> You sold a Zelda game which was rather different in many respects for
> a game that was pretty much identical to Timesplitters 2.
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> As you do.
Look at how identical Zelda is to it's other games heres the main story. Woman gets lost. Hero attempts to save woman. Hero has to go through a number of identical dungeons to an identical ending. Whoop-dee-doo.
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Tomm
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:47:32PM
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Alfonse wrote:
> Look at how identical Zelda is to it's other games heres the main
> story. Woman gets lost. Hero attempts to save woman. Hero has to go
> through a number of identical dungeons to an identical ending.
> Whoop-dee-doo.
Strange, the same principle could be applied to pretty much every genre that had its own fanchises. GTA? TombRaider? Anybody?
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Chipseh
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:49:46PM
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Alfonse wrote:
> Look at how identical Zelda is to it's other games heres the main
> story. Woman gets lost. Hero attempts to save woman. Hero has to go
> through a number of identical dungeons to an identical ending.
> Whoop-dee-doo.
The same could be said to just about every other sequel, ever. And I don't know what Zelda games you have played, but identical dungeons? Are you serious?
As for the ending, I fail to see how Zelda games have the same ending... just compare OOT/MM/WW for example...
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Tiltawhirl
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on 22/05/2005 at 5:58:41PM
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I think Stridiot would be best off sticking to smashing his face on the bongo drums.
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JFH
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on 22/05/2005 at 6:42:35PM
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Dringo wrote:
> Lol no it wasn't THAT bad... I've seen far far far worse.
But it's so bad because it's a Zelda game and you expect so much more, and after playing through such a quest you expect a bit more.
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da cheat maste...
"i know all da cheat"
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on 22/05/2005 at 7:00:21PM
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tell some of the people to stop ignoreing me i didnt even no what i was doing at the sart and they hate me now
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JFH
"0228"
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on 22/05/2005 at 7:03:48PM
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Did somebody say something?
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gerrid
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on 22/05/2005 at 7:11:59PM
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I wasn't going to ignore him until he said that. Oh well - have fun with nobody noticing you.
WW was good but it wasn't as good as either MM or OOT, and you expect that with the more powerful console and the fact they have made 2 games from which to learn, it would be. That's what disappoints people, in that it should be better - like TW is looking. It did feel rushed, and although the world was quite large, it felt very sparse. Most of the islands didn't really have much on them. The game felt a little rushed to me, especially when you go to see the big fish and he just GIVES you the pearl, then the fact that the triforce maps are so easy to get and aren't in dungeons. If they'd had more time it could have been a massive game - with huge islands and loads and loads of dungeons.
It is easily the bst looking Zelda game, and the combat is awesome. The environments were also astonishing, especially the volcano one, but there just weren't enough of them. I still think of it as one of my bst GC games, but it really could have been so much better.
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JFH
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on 22/05/2005 at 7:21:03PM
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Aye, I know what you mean, but we do have Twilight Princess to look forward to and that will/must be brilliant. I have absolute faith that Nintendo will make up for the flaws in Wind Waker and then all will be forgiven and forgotten.
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Edgy
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on 22/05/2005 at 8:35:40PM
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Chipseh wrote:
> Alfonse wrote:
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> Look at how identical Zelda is to it's other games heres the main
> story. Woman gets lost. Hero attempts to save woman. Hero has to go
> through a number of identical dungeons to an identical ending.
> Whoop-dee-doo.
>
> The same could be said to just about every other sequel, ever. And I
> don't know what Zelda games you have played, but identical dungeons?
> Are you serious?
He probably played Ocarina of Time then Master Quest...
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Rickoss
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on 22/05/2005 at 10:03:51PM
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It's Stridiot? That explains it then.
I actually liked the ending. It may not have been as good as some, but frozen Hyrule made up for that tenfold. What an amazing moment, perhaps the best in any Zelda title ever. Actually, no, that goes to first meeting the Happy Mask Shop Owner on Majora's Mask.
I know it isn't as good as either N64 title, but I'm really glad Nintendo did completely re-invent the series. It may have been quite as excellent, but it had some tremendous moments; as I said before, seagulls trying desperately to catch up with your ship is just wonderful, and Windfall remains oen of the greatest towns Zelda has ever seen, bar maybe Clock Town.
It's actually slightly disappointing to know that we'll never see a fully cel-shaded Hyrule. If the sequel isn't going to be cel-shaded, a doubt it'll return any time in the future, except maybe on a handheld title.
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Edgy
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on 22/05/2005 at 10:18:06PM
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I can't remember the ending to Wind Waker, other than thinking, "Surely that can't be it" for the final battle. Was easier than some of the earlier battles...
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Tphi
"thursdayton!"
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on 22/05/2005 at 10:33:29PM
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Edgy wrote:
> He probably played Ocarina of Time then Master Quest...
:D
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Miserableman
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on 23/05/2005 at 1:25:16PM
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Edgy wrote:
> I can't remember the ending to Wind Waker, other than thinking,
> "Surely that can't be it" for the final battle. Was easier
> than some of the earlier battles...
:?
The final boss must surely go down as one of the best boss battles ever. The swordfighting was insane.
Looking back on Wind Waker now, the graphics are still fabulous, and I think they'll only become more appreciated as time goes on. For me the game was let down by the dungeons - there were only four proper Zelda style dungeons, and compared to the complex and intricate masterpieces found in Ocarina of Time/Link to the Past/Link's Awakening they were a real let-down. Despite being probably the most playable Zelda (in terms of controllability/combat) it's also possibly the weakest firstparty Zelda since the NES games.
EDIT: This came across as too negative: it's still one of the best games on the GC, I agree with that conclusion.
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Dringo
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on 23/05/2005 at 1:36:51PM
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Alfonse wrote:
> Look at how identical Zelda is to it's other games heres the main
> story. Woman gets lost. Hero attempts to save woman. Hero has to go
> through a number of identical dungeons to an identical ending.
> Whoop-dee-doo.
Have you played the Oracle series then? Or link's awakening? Or Majora's Mask? or Minish Cap? Or Four Swords?
Now there's a shocker.
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Dringo
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on 23/05/2005 at 1:39:31PM
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I disagree that Wind Waker felt "rushed". It did towards the end of the game, but to start with it certainly did not.
And the combat system was so far improved from previous Zelda games that I might even say it is the best Zelda game.
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Asher
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on 23/05/2005 at 1:44:30PM
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It's like they spent ages working on the first bits and then at the end suddenly rushed to finish.
The ending should have been a lot better than it was. Plus it left on a cliffhanger, which means the Twilight Princess should follow on from it?
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Chr1s
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on 23/05/2005 at 2:36:31PM
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What was rushed about it? It felt perfectly paced from start to finish. The final boss battle was easy, but not rushed by any means. Besides, I didn't really feel up to a massive challenge after I had just slayed the much tougher Puppet Ganon.
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Alfonse
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on 23/05/2005 at 5:19:26PM
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Dringo wrote:
> Alfonse wrote:
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> Look at how identical Zelda is to it's other games heres the main
> story. Woman gets lost. Hero attempts to save woman. Hero has to go
> through a number of identical dungeons to an identical ending.
> Whoop-dee-doo.
>
> Have you played the Oracle series then? Or link's awakening? Or
> Majora's Mask? or Minish Cap? Or Four Swords?
>
> Now there's a shocker.
Actually you're right. i have finished all those games and they are rather different.
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